Harvey forgive me for that post above...not that i am sorry i felt as i did..nor thinking as i do...but for my lack of ability to put into words any dialogue to reach a way to express to someone who's thinking is so different and seems from my history of relating to those whom talk similiar to you ...i dont have the fancy words or education to keep up with the banter ....i have nothing but my history and relations with other to compare your response the way it hit me and i fully understand that with out full conversation and one on one and seeing someones behavior it is hard sometimes to make a call of what is trying to be presented...and right or wrong..for me your response came across to me like the typical what i refer to as bible thumper...they know they have the answer and to have it you must walk talk and think and act as they do...if you dont fall in that catagory that is great...my saying that i dont know what to do but shake my head has not changed ..i still feel that way...it is just what seems to me to be such a wide divide of what one was saying and the response that was given...my thinking is only right for me..i not saying it is right...nor wrong...just how it struck me..what i am reading and taking away from what was read....and really sometimes it is not about what we think we said but what another takes away from it...do we change who we are or how we respond...of course not...but it does not hurt to think..i know where i come from and my thinking reasons and what emotions might arrise from my thoughts...but just examine the pages and pages of conversing on this site and the differences of perception...we are all fine doing just what we are meant to do..and depersonalize and understand it is the individual that is working through there spot in time..for all...life is good...no grudges..no harm...and life continues...often what appears to be harm is just another lesson...thanks...oh...and i dont ever wish anyone to change because i think different...i wish people to change if change is what there looking for or where there at and each moment brings it ...want it or not...right....take care