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Old 11th June 2008, 12:11 AM
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EH - You are just throwing in a red herring, an extreme case which will prove nothing.
AP – Every case related to
saving or destroying Human Life
is extreme.

Illness is the reality,
which surrounds
and absorbs into Mind of a woman
who considers aborting New Growing Life.

EH - It is universally accepted among humans that when a person is incapable, for reasons of physical or mental illness, or insufficient age, that others may sometimes have to make choices for them. We normally assign this right to immediate family members, or to those who have been given power of attorney, or eventually to the courts.
AP – What if some of those creatures calling themselves “humans”
are not developed enough to see Purpose in Life?
Do you think
they still can be trusted
to make any choices
related to Life?

EH - But for normal, adult, competent individuals…
AP – It is abnormal to think, plan and execute that plan to kill Life.

EH - I maintain that they have the right to make their own moral choices, unencumbered by anything you or I might desire to the contrary.
AP – Before they exercise “the right to make their own moral choices”,
they have to figure out
what is moral and what is not.
It is immoral “to think, plan and execute that plan to kill Life”.

EH - If we consider abortion, I think we will agree that the pro-life side sees a “fully human person” in the fetus, the embryo, the blast cyst, and even the newly fertilized egg.
AP –I do not belong to any religions.
I do not go to churches, my Body and Mind is my Temple.
Wherever I put my foot down, it becomes a sacred place.

I don’t know much about “the movements” and arguments between the movements.
I express strictly my personal beliefs on the matter,
beliefs, which are, based on my life understandings
which come mostly from my individual life experiences
full of many interactions with all type of people.

I agree with those, who see Life in “the newly fertilized egg”.

EH - (I think Catholics might go even further back – remember Monty Python and “Every sperm is sacred...”)
AP – “Every sperm is sacred.” I like it. It is not funny and makes total sense.

EH - The pro-choice side, on the other hand, sees the right of a woman to have control over her own body…
AP – Yes, let woman to have control over her own body.
I have nothing against it, but lets be sure that she is in a healthy state of mind.
Do you let your fellow human to mutilate his/her body?
Why not?
Let it be.
It is his/her body, not yours.
Why even bother?
Would you,
“Evangelical Humanist”,
be a passive observer,
if before your eyes someone were trying to commit suicide?
Or you would call it an extreme example,
getting away from an answer,
forgetting,
that Life itself is Extreme.

EH - in which they include the fetus, which is completely dependent on her.
AP – Whoever thinks this way, probably is not aware,
that a mother’s well being is completely depends on “fetus”, too.

EH - So the disagreement is not over whether it is right or wrong to “kill the baby,” but rather about when it is, in fact, a baby. I think both sides probably agree that from the point they recognize it as a baby rather than a thing, it is wrong to terminate it (although sometimes justified, perhaps). We agree on the morality, but not the facts that inform the morality.
AP – But Asimov said, “It does not matter”. Why don’t you argue it?

EH - For the record, I agree completely that a fetus which has the potential to survive outside the mother’s womb is a human person, and therefore deserving of protection.
AP – It is very nice to know that you are half way above Asimov’s head.
But you are still, stack in “the middle”. And this is not good.

Human brother and sister,
I beg you, for your own sake,
Don’t believe in the middle.
There is no middle.
There are only Health or Illness,
All or Nothing.
Don’t believe in Not Having a Solid Opinion,
You have to have a clear position in your life.
So, Walk in Life without any hesitation in its Purpose,
Which is very simple,
To Support Life.

A.P.

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