I sit at a crazy lunch table. We talk about everything.

Somehow the discussion went to Catholic priests, and this Unitarian guy named John said that nowhere in the Bible does it condemn sex before marriage. I point out that adultery is a sin. He counters that adultery is sex outside of marriage. (BTW he rejected me from Homecoming because "If religion is the basis of our relationship than I end it now" Sheez! Religion is the base of my life! )

Sorry for the rant. Anyways, I think he is wrong because I have been to so many sites that condemn sex before marriage.

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Well there may be some confusion about the terms... adultery as I undertsand it is when a married person has illicit sexual relations outside marriage... Fornication would be sexual encounters between unmarried people.. Fornication would be considered a sin in most religious traditions whether Jewish, Christian or Muslim... wikipedia has a good overview of fornication at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fornication

In the Baha'i Faith sexual relations outside marriage are forbidden.

Today in many modern societies the standards of morality have deteriorated and there are few penalties for people who engage in sexual relations prior to or outside marriage it would seem...

However I would suggest that in the long term we live with ourselves...that is, in the long haul over life.. there will probably be those incidents in our earlier years that we are less proud of and would rather others did not know much about.... Also I think standards of morality are important as examples for young people and can build character.

- Art

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It sounds to me like this guy was expecting more than dancing at homecoming.

I think Arthra is correct.

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Adultery is also lusting after another person in our thoughts while married. If one can lust after another man, or desire to have sex with him, whose to say she can't act it out? I know its hard, especially when there are a lot of gorgeous guys on tv and on the internet, LOL!!!

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Madeline

The Bible does not condemn sex before marriage because it does not exist. Sex is the act of marriage. When you engage in sex you become one with the other person. To have sex is to get married. This is why it is not specifically mentioned in the Bible.

WHOA!!!! The bible CLEARLY condemns sex before marriage (Acts 15:20; Rom. 1:29; 1 Cor. 5:1; 6:13,18; 7:2; 10:8; 2 Cor. 12:21; Gal. 5:19; Eph. 5:3; Col. 3:5; 1 Thess. 4:3; Jude 7). This I am sure, read those passages and see for yourself.

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Madeline

Madeline, I checked the very first one. Acts 15:20Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.

Don't assume that the interpretations you find in the Bible Studies you use are correct. The texts prohibits "sexual immorality." I suggest you read my post again from a fresh perspective. You completely missed what it says.

Acts 15:20 CLEARLY says to abstain from 'FORNICATION'

G4202
πορνεία
porneia
por-ni'-ah
From G4203; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively idolatry: - fornication

You have taken that verse completely out of context. Any Greek grammarian or someone who posseses a modicum of biblical knowledge can tell you that fornication in Acts 15:20 means FORNICATION. Unless you somehow believe that 99.99% of all biblical theologians are incorrect and you are somehow right, frankly I would find that quite arrogant. What you are basically trying to tell me is that within the passages of Acts 15:20; Rom. 1:29; 1 Cor. 5:1; 6:13,18; 7:2; 10:8; 2 Cor. 12:21; Gal. 5:19; Eph. 5:3; Col. 3:5; 1 Thess. 4:3; Jude 7, there is not ONE mention of FORNICATION. In other words the Greek scholars who translated the bible obviously don't know how to translate Greek. Sorry, it is you who completely missed what it says.

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Madeline

Madeline, porneia refers to sexual immorality. Only in a world where a thousand contradictory perspectives on the same notion can be thought to each be the true perspective can you appeal to the authority of theologians.

Porneia does not only refer to sexual immorality, if it did then there would be no necessity to insert the word FORNICATION in the lexicon as aptly put by the Greek scholars and Grammarians. Also, I don't see how you can tell me that FORNICATION is not sexual immorality. Lets see a PERFECT EXAMPLE of how Porneia (FORNICATION) actually means FORNICATION.

"Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication [porneia], let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband." (1 Corinthians 7:1-2, KJV)

The context clearly condemns sex before marriage.

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Madeline