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Old 28th January 2007, 04:52 PM
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The Great Infidel Speaks!

This is one of my favourite passages from Robert Green Ingersoll. It is from an essay entitled "Superstition" and was written in 1887. The following passage speaks to the millions of people who have studied the Bible, and how they differed.

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By the same book they proved that nearly everybody is to be lost, and that all are to be saved; that slavery is a divine institution, and that all men should be free; that polygamy is right, and that no man should have more than one wife; that the powers that be are ordained of God, and that the people have a right to overturn and destroy the powers that be; that all the actions of men were predestined -- preordained from eternity, and yet that man is free; that all the heathen will be lost; that all the heathen will be saved; that all men who live according to the light of nature will be ****ed [starts with "d" but I guess that's a word not suited for religious debate] for their pains; that you must be baptized by sprinkling; that you must he baptized by immersion; that there is no salvation without baptism that baptism is useless; that you must believe in the Trinity; that it is sufficient to
believe in God. that you must believe that a Hebrew peasant was God that at the same time he was half man, that he was of the blood of David through his supposed father Joseph, who was not his father, and that it is not necessary to believe that Christ was God; that you must believe that the Holy Ghost proceeded; that it makes no difference whether you do or not; that you must keep the Sabbath holy; that Christ taught nothing of the kind; that Christ established a church; that he established no church; that the dead are to he raised; that there is to be no resurrection; that Christ is coming again; that he has made his last visit; that Christ went to hell and preached to the spirits in prison; that he did nothing of the kind; that all the Jews are going to perdition; that they are all going to heaven; that all the miracles described in the Bible were performed, that some of them were not, because they are foolish, childish and idiotic; that all the Bible is inspired; that some of the books are not inspired; that there is to be a general judgment, when the sheep and goats are to be divided; that there never will be any general judgment; that the sacramental bread and wine are changed into the flesh and blood of God and the Trinity; that they are not changed; that God has no flesh or blood; that there is a place called "purgatory;" that there is no such place; that unbaptized infants will be lost; that they will be saved; that we must believe the Apostles' Creed; that the apostles made no creed; that the Holy Ghost was the father of Christ; that Joseph was his father; that the Holy Ghost had the form of a dove; that there is no Holy Ghost; that heretics should be killed; that you must not resist evil; that you should murder unbelievers that you must love your enemies; that you should take no thought for the morrow, but should be diligent in business; that you should lend to all who ask, and that one who does not provide for his own household is worse than an infidel.
How, I wonder, could an inerrant book, inspired, so we are told, by God himself, have served to make all those opinions reasonable to somebody. It seems passing strange to me that the deity Himself couldn't inspire something that could only be understood as He wanted it to be understood.
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Have you read the Book of J? What do you think about the historical editing of such an one book?
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This is one of my favourite passages from Robert Green Ingersoll. It is from an essay entitled "Superstition" and was written in 1887. The following passage speaks to the millions of people who have studied the Bible, and how they differed.


How, I wonder, could an inerrant book, inspired, so we are told, by God himself, have served to make all those opinions reasonable to somebody. It seems passing strange to me that the deity Himself couldn't inspire something that could only be understood as He wanted it to be understood.

1 Corinthians 9:19-22 (King James Version)
19For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

20And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

Reminds me of a politician who has something for everyone.
All things for all men, to fill the pews, and fill the baskets.

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my grandfather is one of the most Christian people I know...in the best sense of the word...and has this to say about the Bible, when ever someone uses the words "the bible says..." --and at 80+ years, that includes the "young whippersnapper of a preacher they have there in that pulpit"

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The Bible says many things. And if you can manage to believe all of them, you are either the biggest liar or the most gullible idiot (or dumbest SOB, depending on how ornery he feels) to walk God's green earth.

Basically what the original post said---but much shorter...
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