as a beleiver

walking in faith means that at any time i am in danger the Lord can perserve me or allow me to be killed

we must always focus on the big picture - in losing my life i gain life - we are here for but a moment. god intervenes from time to time as required

remember as difficult as losing a child is that child is in heaven today. the one child who didnt lose his life - did eventually lose his life

you see Herod's sin caused him to kill those babies

my sin caused me to kill Jesus Christ - all is forgiven thru the blood of my Lord and Saviour!!

to lay down my life for Christ to take up my cross- this is my mission - may others expereince the Love and Joy Jesus has given me in this Life BUT to demonstrate the inferiority of this life and the superiority of eternity with Christ i would ask for the faith and wisdom to serve God in any manner he sees fit in order to benfit the great puprose - to bring all sinners to repentance thru the blood of the Lamb - god loves us all - dont try to understand all his ways -

follow the SWOT analysis we are all judged differently based on the strenghts weaknesses opportunities and threats given uniquely to each and every one

one final point - God doesnt want us to sit around all day and focus on the sadness and confusion Herod's evil caused these children - he wants us to actively help children every where - yeah in our backyards - who are being abused and murder - faith without works is dead -dont analyze so much - just go out and do good this is our purpose -


thank you friends - sorry if i sound brazen / abrasive -- i too am an over analyzer - but the Lord has shown how to focus on the big picture - the little acts of kindness instead of trying to figure it all out

so that we may freely choose to worship him

we are blessed to be able to sit around and type all day - as a result WE ARE so responsible!!! the atrocities committed against millions by Satan - well the majority of the starving / sick / abused will spend eternity in heaven with Christ jesus-- us on the other hand we are responsible to be proactive - rememebr sins of omission and sins of comission

what this means is "its not the bad things we didnt committ" its the good things we didnt committ!!!

friends cherish your priviledge and your great responsibilty - God has no time for our humanistic philosphies he wants us to be actively helping others not debating these silly issues that distract us from helping the poor

that being said i am thankful for the countless wise responses in the face of this silly question about why God didnt save us all - we are not robots or puppets of God - we are free agents - Baby Jesus was only spared so he could die later on for all humanity!!

thanx for some wise responses Paul

We all know about the inquisition, religious wars, murder of heretics, atheists, Jews and homosexuals carried out by Jesus' followers throughout the past 2000 years. Christians are reluctant to blame Jesus for these atrocities but blame misguided Christians who only thought they were doing God's will.

But if Jesus is really God in the flesh, he could have looked into the future with perfect clarity and would have seen his misguided followers murdering millions of people. Why didn't Jesus have the Bible writers put instructions in the Bible which would have warned his followers not to kill heretics, atheists, Jews, and homosexuals and not to have fought religious wars.

Did Jesus approve the death of millions?
Or was Jesus powerless to stop it?

Stuart Shepherd

Jesus did warn us: he said they will procecute you in "my name". What is my name? Jesus never said I am Jesus or my name is Jesus. Christians believe "my name" is Jesus, but in the O.T. when Moses asked God what is your name, God said:" I am that I am". I am that I am is individual belief "being": Heretics, atheists, Jews, and homosexuals and all other beliefs in being, identified. I am not here to judge Christians or any other belief in being. I see beingness being perfect in their claim to be.

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Why is your hatred of Christians and Christianity any different from hatred toward homosexuals? The question is "are you powerless to stop it?"

There are those who believe we are the things we hate.

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I love this kind of question...the asker so sure of the unimpeachable logic of of the paradox s/he thinks /she has invented, that s/he ignores the bigger holes in logic and argumentation.

Let's start off with a biggie...have you ever tried to talk someone out of doing something they want to do??? Probably not, or you wouldn't pose such a argument; human life (not to mention human history) is littered with records of people who have tried to talk individuals and groups out of ill considered action, only to get nowhere.

Let us also say that the Gospels are replete with sayings such as "he who is not against me, is for me," and "judge not, lest ye be judged," and "in my father's house their are many rooms," and "other sheep I have, that are not part of this flock." The fact is, if people didn't bother to listen to all those, many, injunctions what on Earth would make you think they would listen to "Hey, dumbass! Hands off the Queers!!" That isn't merely being optimistic, it's being insane....

Humans kill, because we are, innately, killers. We can overcome that, but only by considerable effort...and most are unwilling to make such effort.


Stuart, Sturat, stuart. I'm not even a Christian -- heck I'm not even a monotheist -- and even I'm offended by that kind of simplistic argument. This is something known as the "either, or" fallacy; trying to reduce the possible answers to a complex question to a simple dichotomy.

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The notion that God sanctions and/or causes and/or allows killing and other forms of violence and suffering only works when you assume that 1) we are separate from God (divine vs. not divine) and that 2) the OT portrays history, rather than cultural myth.


I don't buy any of that. If the genocides in the OT had been real, there are a number of peoples who were eliminated multiple times and in the most horrible way. There is NO archaeological evidence of ANY of these massacres or genocides. So in fact the ancient Israelites were no more or less violent than anyone else.

Besides, I don't subscribe to the dominant paradigm that we are mere humans attempted to have a spiritual experience, and generally failing. For me, I believe we are spiritual beings having a human experience, which also means that we are constantly connected to Source, whatever that IS and whatever we call him/her/it. As such, all of our "suffering" is self-inflicted due to our ego dramas, none of which God is responsible for. SO I say we should quit blaming God for this and take responsibility for our own stuff.

This post sounds like a very I know what I am talking about...judgment of others talking being but silly...if this is your feeling and you wish to share ...I think that is nice..but the one thing I have always liked about this site..we all seem to try very hard to post in my opinion type statements..we sometimes slip up and come accross as having the answers...and forget to share it is but personal opinion ..when one states things as it sounds from your post...what i hear is what i said above..and when someone posts with such..knowing...i think it would only be fare they give some evidence..for what seems to be truth and knowing to one... can and does come accross to others as rubbish...and to others a amen type statement..anyway..just my thoughts after reading the post...no fretting on this end...just shareing thoughts of perception of a post...thanks..

the ultimate answer is we don't know G-d's plan for everyone and sometimes He does (or doesn't) do things and we don't understand why.

For someone who believes in a G-d who is just, there has to be a reason for all these things that is meant to lead us in the right path, or teach us a lesson or moral of some kind, or to rectify bad behavior.

there are, i imagine, any number of explanations for all the things you have listed, but if someone is viewing this from a totally different perspective then it will be difficult to understand the other's view on this.

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