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Old 8th November 2005, 07:50 PM
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When Bankei held his seclusion-weeks of meditation, pupils from many parts of Japan came to attend. During one of these gatherings a pupil was caught stealing. The matter was reported to Bankei with the request that the culprit be expelled. Bankei ignored the case.

Later the pupil was caught in a similar act, and again Bankei disregarded the matter. This angered the other pupils, who drew up a petition asking for the dismissal of the thief, stating that otherwise they would leave in a body.

When Bankei had read the petition he called everyone before him. "You are wise brothers," he told them. "You know what is right and what is not right. You may go somewhere else to study if you wish, but this poor brother does not even know right from wrong. Who will teach him if I do not? I am going to keep him here even if all the rest of you leave."

A torrent of tears cleansed the face of the brother who had stolen. All desire to steal had vanished.

If we were never taught right from wrong, would we have a conscience? Is a conscience natural to us? Different societies have different rights and wrongs, does this mean a person's conscience is geared to his/her particular society?
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Old 8th November 2005, 10:29 PM
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Yes, a conscience is natural to us. What makes up that conscience is partly natural instincts that we are born with, along with many items that we learn or are taught.
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Old 8th November 2005, 11:07 PM
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I think that most of our concept of right and wrong comes from our sense of empathy. Empathy is the essence behind the Golden Rule. It is universal and I believe that it is natural. I think that empathy is part of being human; it is part of our genome. It does not need to be taught.
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Actually, there have been no studies that prove the "wolf-boy" or "Tarzan" scenario ever produces a human with a conscience about right and wrong. Their cognitive functions never develop past primal need. In Spiral Dynamics, it is known as BEIGE value meme. It is only after continued social interaction that we begin to learn these consciousness developments. Its just that we have now streamlined the process to where it appears a natural development.

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