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Old 18th November 2005, 01:37 AM
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Faithless?

A Course In Miracles tells us that no one is faithless. Do you agree? Do we all have some levels of faith no matter what our belief system is?
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Old 18th November 2005, 02:23 AM
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A Course In Miracles tells us that no one is faithless. Do you agree? Do we all have some levels of faith no matter what our belief system is?

Yes. In fact Baha'is have a book or two devoted to the stages, and Moslems have some inspirtational works along the same lines. Even the darkest corners aren't entirely dark - though to seeing eyes they may be more than dark enough. At the opposite end of the spectrum there is also more light than one can take in, but still not be the same as the Source of light.

However I don't particularly like that book.

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Old 18th November 2005, 02:48 AM
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I agree that no one is faithless, from what I'm aware of. And I believe I / we have maximal faith that's perceived to vary in accordance with self identified levels. Belief systems (paradigms) are constructs and faith is the process.
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My belief system incorporates a faithless practice. I have learned that there really is no purpose for faith when reasoning your beliefs to truths or untruths.
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By definition:

Faith n.
  1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
  2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.
  3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
  4. Often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
  5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
  6. A set of principles or beliefs.

Whether we all have faith, really depends on which definition you are speaking of. I think we all have faith in others (whether in a positive or negative manner). We all have a set of principles or beliefs.

As far as religious faith. No, I don't believe everyone has some level of faith. Of course, we could start that whole "Is atheism a religion" type debate. Some could say that those who don't believe in God have faith that there is no God. But when discussing faith in religion, faith means having a trust and belief in God. We don't have any physical proof that God exists, which is where faith comes in. Not believing in God, would show a lack of faith in his existince.
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Genetic predisposition

This puts me in mind of the current research that indicates that we may be genetically encoded to be religious.

Part of me--the hard-deaded realist--says, "So that's why I'm religious: it's just my chromosomes."

Another part of me--the believer in God--says, "So that's why I'm religious: God designed me that way."

Of course, in the second case there is also an unstated question; namely, "Why are all of these highly educated, intelligent scientists surprised to discover that our Creator created us to believe in Him?"

As Flip Wilson might have said, "The DNA made me do it!"
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This puts me in mind of the current research that indicates that we may be genetically encoded to be religious.
This is interesting research. But I'm not sure if I buy it. Even if there is a "God gene" (as it seems to have been dubbed), it doesn't mean that we will all become religious, hence not everyone feels the need to join a religion.
Religion seems to be more closely related to family and social structure than anything else. People that are raised to be religious tend to remain religious (obviously with exceptions). And people that are raised non-religious (not necessarily atheist) tend to remain that way.
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A Course In Miracles tells us that no one is faithless. Do you agree? Do we all have some levels of faith no matter what our belief system is?
I think that there is some level of faith in every belief system, with the possible exception of agnosticism. Atheists seem to have faith that their current experiences and evidence will not change and are therefore sure there is no God. Agnostics look at the evidence and don't see proof, but remain open to the possibility. But this is only speaking generally.
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Again, I'm yet to observe and be aware of a belief system (or even a belief for that matter) that doesn't operate on faith. What we tend to call reason, I believe operates by faith. I think it's logically implausible to be faithless, though I think I understand how one might perceive faithlessness. This to me is what misunderstanding is about.
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