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Old 3rd December 2005, 12:35 AM
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So all our foundationis built upon the assumption that this is not the case and therefore, if a miracle were to happen, we would expect god to be able to explain how he managed to get it to happen and then we might possibly manage to make it happen without God in the next moment. Thus, it would cease to qualify as a miracle.

Can miracles like in the Bible, be scientifically explained? I witness this discussion today: Should God be able to explain how he caused a miracle to happen. If he did explain it then we could do it and it would no longer qualify as a miracle. If God cannot explain how a miracle was caused, then is God Omniscient?

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I think the 50 miracle principles from "A Course In Miracles" brings integrity and consistency to how one might understand miracles. One of those principles that seems pertinent to the question is:

- Miracles performed as a spectacle to induce belief, is a misunderstanding of their purpose.

When I reread the Gospels within the context of the 50 principles, it seems clear that Jesus is just going about experience in this world as if it's really not that big of a deal what He was up to. "These things and more, shall you do."

Another principle from ACIM:

- Miracles are natural. When they do not occur, something has gone wrong.
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"You can perform your own "miracles" – except you will learn they are not miracles at ALL but simple acts of Universal Law."

HELLO IT’S ME: An Interview With GOD
Chapter: Jesus The Christ
Page 117

I am very easily impressed by miracles and may have to agree with Joshuway’s statement that they are natural. Whether it is someone producing a coin from my ear or just surviving another day on earth, each holds as much significance and fascination for me as someone performing the miracle of walking on water.
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So all our foundationis built upon the assumption that this is not the case and therefore, if a miracle were to happen, we would expect god to be able to explain how he managed to get it to happen and then we might possibly manage to make it happen without God in the next moment. Thus, it would cease to qualify as a miracle.

Can miracles like in the Bible, be scientifically explained? I witness this discussion today: Should God be able to explain how he caused a miracle to happen. If he did explain it then we could do it and it would no longer qualify as a miracle. If God cannot explain how a miracle was caused, then is God Omniscient?

What do you think?

They have tried to explain some of the biblical miracles scientifically, but their efforts usually fall pretty outside the mark, leaving so many holes that it is absurd. They HAVE proven the possibility that some of those miracles really did happen, though. Many different cultures have stories about the great flood, for example. Science has tried to say alternately that either there really wasn't a great flood, or that it was actually a tsunami that deluged the area. They have not come close to explaining how such a wave could flood the entire area for a long period of time. (They used the same argument regarding the parting of the red sea. When a tsunami is coming in, it isn't unusual for the water to be sucked out in advance of the main wave, leaving a shallow sea bottom bare. However, I doubt that a tsunami would sit out there, poised to strike, while tens of thousands of people made their way a few miles from one side to the other. Usually, such a wave takes at most one or two minutes to come slamming back in.)

Anyway, back to the flood. I find it pretty interesting that in the 80's, when they were really working into genetics, that several scientists, working independent of each other, came to a similar conclusion; at some time in our past (mankind's past), most likely 4-10 thousand years ago, something happened that narrowed the gene pool tremendously, practically to the point where mankind went extinct. They suggest that the population catestrophically went from a few million to a few thousand, in a very brief time. That isn't proof of a flood, of course, but it ties in nicely with the various flood myths, and it turns out that it would have happened at about the same time that the biblical flood of Noah happened.
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