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Old 17th October 2007, 10:05 AM
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What exactly is our purpose and why are we here? God brought us here for a reason what is it? Something i always wondered about.
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Old 17th October 2007, 12:54 PM
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What exactly is our purpose and why are we here? God brought us here for a reason what is it? Something i always wondered about.
If "God brought us here for a reason," then you will just have to accept that the reason is God's, and not ours, and therefore we are not in a position to know anything about it, until such time as He decides to let us in on the secret.

As an atheist, I do not believe that we were created by any god, but that everything that exists does so due to completely natural causes. If that is the case, then the only "purpose" that you can have is one that you create for yourself.

So think for a moment. The world is what it is today because of everything that has happened until this moment, including all of the good and bad things done by people in history. Some people have had very large effects, the ripples of which can still be felt all around the world. Others have had smaller effects, some very small and quite local. But nobody has had no effect whatever.

By that same reasoning, then, you will have an effect on the future -- what comes to pass in the world will have, to a greater or lesser degree, something of you in it.

Now, all you have to do is to decide what mark you will make on a world that you may never see in this life. I think you should be able to develop a purpose of your own, don't you?
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What exactly is our purpose and why are we here? God brought us here for a reason what is it? Something i always wondered about.

Welcome to the club. Many people including me have pondered the same question probably virtually from the beginning. My path has allowed me to accept that Man has a dual purpose. The first is the purpose of the physical body which is a necessity that man on earth, along with the rest of organic life on earth, must serve. This purpose is the mechanical transformation of substances natural for our bodily processes. When we eat. drink, or breath for example, there is a material transformation and this continual transformation is the purpose of organic life. Now consider the words of Simone Weil:

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“The sea is not less beautiful to our eye because we know that sometimes ships sink in it. On the contrary, it is more beautiful still. If the sea modified the movement of its waves to spare a boat, it would be a being possessing discernment and choice, and not this fluid that is perfectly obedient to all external pressures. It is this perfect obedience that is its beauty.”

“All the horrors that are produced in this world are like the folds imprinted on the waves by gravity. This is why they contain beauty. Sometimes a poem, like the Iliad, renders this beauty.”

“Man can never escape obedience to God. A creature cannot not obey. The only choice offered to man as an intelligent and free creature, is to desire obedience or not to desire it. If he does not desire it, he perpetually obeys nevertheless, as a thing subject to mechanical necessity. If he does desire obedience, he remains subject to mechanical necessity, but a new necessity is added on, a necessity constituted by the laws that are proper to supernatural things. Certain actions become impossible for him, while others happen through him, sometimes despite him.”

Excerpt from: Thoughts without order concerning the love of God, in an essay entitled L'amour de Dieu et le malheur (The Love of God and affliction). Simone Weil


Life in the jungle or in the sea for example is a continual reaction to the influences of universal laws. The span between birth and death serves to continally transform substances. Those laws that we know of that are obvious to our earth are called "Nature's Way." There is no conscious choice in this. Everything is a reaction natural for a living machine designed to further these continual reactions that occur in cycles. Choice in this sense is just reaction to conflicting desires.

The conscious or esoteric levels of the great traditions assert the necessity of consciousness or self awareness in one way or another. This self awareness allows a person to see that they exist as part of mechanical life on earth just as the dog does.

When a person can maintain such awareness and not fall back into a creature of reaction, there is the possibility of acquiring an additional purpose normal for what Simone terms as "supernatural things."

A dog could never acquire the self awareness and quality of consciousness necessary for "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." It's evolution is limited and attached to the earth. Man's evolution has the potential for freedom from attachment to the earth and this freedom was the goal of all the conscious initiators of the great traditions. The means were established to be acceptable in part to the conditions of the time and place.

For man to acquire this new purpose of connecting heaven and earth or the conscious with the mechanical, he must develop his supernatural parts. This doesn't deny the purpose of the healthy body but rather adds an additional purpose, a conscious purpose unnecessary for our normal mechanical life on earth.

This would be a real man IMO but obviously such beings are few and far between.
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What exactly is our purpose and why are we here? God brought us here for a reason what is it? Something i always wondered about.
If "God brought us here for a reason", no man can possibly know that reason.... unless he has been in contact with God.... or imagines so, in my opinion.


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