Are There Any Victims?

[Lightkeeper]

Someone said to me last night that a person who is killed by someone is not a victim. She said we chose our situations and there is no such thing as a victim.

What is your opinion on this?

[sendy47]

Originally Posted by Lightkeeper

Someone said to me last night that a person who is killed by someone is not a victim. She said we chose our situations and there is no such thing as a victim.

What is your opinion on this?

I think that statement must be true...other wise we would all be victims...i sooo believe it has something to do with something we dont compltly remember...but who knows...i say considering one self a vicitim does no good...but it is when life has dealt you...(or we dealt our self) a raw deal...it is yet but another stepping stone in life's journey....

[Tonyamendola]

There are no victims




Sendy we dont remember our SELF - You are absolutely right

This was why Jesus demonstrated forgiveness (forgivness of what has never happened)
Forgivness removes the blocks to Loves presence within each of us
The Golden rule leads us to that realisation



The Expereince of Remembering is written here

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[angeleyes]

As ACIM puts it:

“It is impossible the Son of God be merely driven by events outside of him. It is impossible that happenings that come to him were not his choice. His power of decision is the determiner of every situation in which he seems to find himself by chance or accident. No accident nor chance is possible within the universe as God created it, outside of which is nothing.

The ego, for certain, loves to see itself as unfairly treated. But, as Tony puts it, what would be the point in forgiveness if we are innocent victims and there is no order or justice for us?

Another thought: being a victim always involves our bodies. But if we're not our bodies....... what then?

[vivamis123]

Yes, I do believe there are victims..and these victims are innocent....not ignorant nor egoistic, evil nor bad.

These victims are victims to outer circumstances. They have no idea that they are creating nor that God loves them. They have no idea that simply realizing there oneness with God could change their life and experiences.

As long as we have suffering in this world...we will have victims. Not untill each one of us has found ourself within God and God within our self...willl suffering end. We are the whole and not a part/apart.

[Tonyamendola]

IF and its a big IF we are all connected - or ONE

then


Seeing another as a victim would make oneself a victim (Judge not lest you be judged) by default

In this insanity we look upon a victim and re enforce that thought thus creating more victims

Everything in thought creates on the form level although only What God knows exists - which is why this is called the dream or illusion

Yet until we give up the "false images" we will continue to see what we beleive in

Could the Holy Son of God be a victim ?

[vivamis123]

Tony....is everyone that is in your consciousness a direct reflection of your consciousness? With other words is everyone you come into contact with experiencing the same bliss as you?

[Tonyamendola]

Vivamis

THis is something I have struggled with and I thank you for the gift of bringing it to my awareness again

There is a huge part in me that wants to save - That is what Love is isnt it ?

Yet how can it be Loving to see what is created perfect any less than it is ?


If I come across someone suffering that doesnt mean I ignore them but it does mean that I do not acknowledge "suffering"
In my mind I look upon a perfect child of God who is merely having a dream
In this I do not use the power of my thoughts to re enforce "there" dream
There dream is also mine so by seeing them as a victim i make my self one

I offer love and my hand in the same way as anyone esle would - but I DO NOT accept the false image
The children of God are as they were created
The ego wants you to see Gods creation as less than it is and in doing that you perpetuate it - Our thoughts create


So my answer is yes they are all in bliss - some simply dreaming they are not - just a dream and nothing more to be slowly woken from


I hope that makes sense


Everything is caused in thought

[evangelicalhumanist]

Well then, why don't we all just dash off and kill somebody. After all, by the logic I just read here, if we do, it will be because they themselves chose their situation, even the one in which they are murdered by somebody they've never met and don't even see when they're shot in the back.

I'm sorry, folks, but there is something inexpressably, deeply, fundamentally WRONG in such ideas. If you truly believe that somebody who is killed or horribly maimed, or raped by a psychopath has chosen that for themselves and is therefore not a victim, then you have really and truly lost your humanity in your vain and useless search to be something else.

Whatever else you all might think you are, right now, today, in this existence, you are humans. I'm sorry you don't seem able to express it -- or at least have not expressed it in this thread!

[Tonyamendola]

Why wouldnt you go off kill someone today ??


Because it would make killing real, by killing the other you would kill yourself and the other who is you


Everything you do in this "Reality" is to Your self


Because there is only One of us