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Originally Posted by evangelicalhumanist
I heartily agree with you, and while sometimes the idea of revenge seems like a good idea, I note (from personal experience) that it leaves a very bitter after-taste.
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I would heartily disagree with both you and Eolas. The death penalty is not solely about revenge, but about maintaining justice and dealing with criminals. I would not advocate the death penalty due to any level of uncertainty, which of course throws out the concept of death penalty in many cases. However, someone who has shown a complete unwillingness to conform to social conduct and respect the principles and rights of our society are dangerous to the fabric of society.
We deal with cancer in the same way. Even though we should take as many steps as possible to prevent cancer, if it occurs we must deal with it decisively.
A career criminal, like a thief, or a fraudster, or a rapist, invader, abuser, etc, are incapable or unwilling to live in harmony and peace with the trader principle of volitional mutual benefit.
The death penalty is not a method of crime deterrent. Punishment is not a crime deterrent, it is a consequence for ones choice to act in a way that is not socially coherent. If we accept the concept that the death penalty is revenge, we could accept the concept that jail-time is for revenge because it is a punitive action as well.
Economical background is not an excuse or a reason for criminal activity. People who live in affluent areas commit crimes just like people who live in ghettos.
The concept of forgiveness is between the victim and the perpetrator of the crime, not between the government and the perpetrator. The governments sole responsibility is to ensure the protection of the rights and principles of action, not to arbitrarily dole out mercy punishment on the basis of an individuals emotional pleading.
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I find that to be nonsense, because once you've got someone locked up, once they are in no position to defend themselves against the executioner, they are by definition no longer a threat. And so we return to the execution as an act of revenge.
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Not necessarily. A corrections facility should be for the rehabilitation and treatment of people who have committed crimes. Community service, psychological examination and rehabilitation and isolation. Capital punishment is the highest level of punitive action reserved for those who do not help themselves in the rehabilitation process and recommit crimes. They are beyond help.
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As a Canadian, I can hardly miss noting David Milgaard, Donald Marshall and Guy Paul Morin, all convicted of murder, all later proved to be innocent of the crime they were convicted of. (Marshall was guilty of others, though.) And there have been many others, the list is really quite long.
The very possibility that society can and does make such mistakes means that society has certainly been guilty of judicial murder of innocent persons. I'd prefer we didn't add to that sorry list.
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One mistake in the justice process is just as heinous as the other. Locking up someone for 25 years against their will, punishing them for a crime they did not commit and forcing them to atone for an action that isn't theirs is just as heinous as killing them. In both cases you are revoking their right to life.