I would also add that in order to truely understand that you would have to have realised that we are all eternal beings

...or have our being in the eternal : )

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I have my own opinions/conclusions, you know. Are they not as good as yours? So when you ask "who is to say it's not? You?" then am I not just as entitled to say "who is to say it is? You?"

Unless we start to use something other than mere statements about what is and what isn't, then no real conversation is possible. You may say it's night, I may say it's day, but if one of us doesn't take the other outside to actually see, all we've got is opinions. And opinions are nice, but they are not something to learn from.

I am not interested in having long, drawn-out festivals of flinging unsupported statements of "metaphysical truth in my opinion" back and forth. Unless there is something upon which to base those statements, there is absolutely nothing for me to learn, except what other people's opinions are. And as with Elvis, even though there are people who think he's alive, their belief says nothing whatever about the factual truth of it. Therefore, I learn nothing important.

And that's me. I want to learn.

One thing you will notice about my posts is that they are (too) long. That is because I never make a statement out of the blue sky without either saying "this is my opinion," or more often, backing it up with whatever evidence (and sometimes analogy) that I can find. Readers may not accept my reasons and evidence, but at least it's there.
Then you are using "the same as" in a different sense than I am. When I mean that two things share something in common, that's what I say. When I mean that you and I are both human, I don't propose that you and I are therefore the identical individual. We are two separate and different individuals who share humaness (among a great many other things) in common. But I would never say that you are "the same as" me in anything other than this limited sense. And I would certainly never say you are the same as an orange, without going to show in what way I mean that. (Both biological, both carbon-based, both smaller than a house...)
Ah, now I see. You have truth, I don't.

No, in fact how it appears to me is that you are using an undisclosed frame of reference. "Truth" really is relative to the frame of reference.
It becomes increasingly clear that dialogue is not only difficult on such topics, but absolutely meaningless, too. Whenever one gets to make assertions without having to bother to justify them in any way (except to say "I perceive the truth") then no meaningful conversation can be had. This becomes especially difficult when words are coopted, the meanings changed on the sly -- words like "same" and "truth" and "value."

So maybe you're right, elephants are the same as oranges. Try squeezing the former and let me know how the juice tastes someday.

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Do you know of anything that does not change? But, since you change how much of reality can your response reflect?

E.H. You were the one that said I was making false equivalence. Let's not turn things around here.

I validate your opinion as an opinion....I only ask you to do the same for me.

This whole forum is based on beliefs....you can't find evidence in a belief....that's why it's called a belief. In order to find evidence (which is only the confirmation of a belief) you'd have to believe it : )

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If nothing changed there would be no space for reality. The fact that everything changes could be considered reality.

When we make space for the eternal or reality it takes form. In order to be conscious of God, God has to take form. In order for God to be aware of God it has to take form.

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L.K. If God was form...God would be limited. God is formless, spaceless and timeless.

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Why bother to function and take care of ourselves then?

If nothing changed there would be no space for reality. The fact that everything changes could be considered reality.

When we make space for the eternal or reality it takes form. In order to be conscious of God, God has to take form. In order for God to be aware of God it has to take form.

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Do you make your heart beat? Do you make the sun rise? Does the body not take care of itself? As nature takes care of itself?

That is why Jesus said take no thought to your body, your life, what you will eat or wear nor for tomorrow...those things will be taken care of.

It is the belief that we are separated from God that creates the illusion that we are the doers.

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Again I agree with Vivamas

God has no form

God is "expereinced" not seen, through the higher vision - LOVE

You literally "see" God though the expereince of LOVE - That is the communication device

This is the reason for the Golden rule - Love is EVERYTHING

No form
Nothing changes
No limit
Perfect equality
Ever expanding
Everything exist in thought and the thought is LOVE because God is LOVE


Its that simple