The Jesus quote is a metaphor for quieting the mind in order to experience Christ consciousness. Part of being is doing. The birds are being and they are also doing. They hunt and gather food, they bathe, they care for their young. What this metaphor means is to take no thought about how to have Christ consciousness or how to find it. It is there if you give it space. The saying is not to be taken literally about food, etc.

The journey is about integrating the inner and outer experiences, and integrating the unconscious with the conscious. When you become conscious of God you give God form. The act of naming what you are experiencing "God" is giving God form.

The sun doesn't rise, it is always there. We have to be in the correct position to see it.

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Let's start again. We'll change chair just slightly to "tasteless poison." Now, John slips some of this into George's drink.

George is not aware that it is there. How is George supposed to know enough to die from it? Yet die he does. How, since George doesn't know he's dead, does this happen? Who in this scenario, created the "need" for George to die, and is it, therefore John who's imagination, who's creation of the illusion of a dead George has caused it to happen?

How do George's wife and children come to be party to this fantasy? WShy couldn't they go on with their own illusion of George being alive, giving piggy-back rides, bringing home the kielbassa, making love, being father and all the rest? Does John have ultimate power in the universe to cause George to be dead not only in his own illusion, but in everyone else's as well?

And what happens if John is subsequently caught and has his own illusion of being tied to a gurney and executed? With John's illusion gone, does George come back? Or is there now another imagination at work creating this wondrous scene?

When I go to the bookstore and find that one book I've been looking for forever, but forgot to bring my wallet, how is it that my illusion of this book is transfered to the person, completely unknown to me, who comes along and buys the last copy while I'm off fetching cash? How did my illusion infect his consciousness to find this particular book? Couldn't he illusion up a book (and a bookstore!) of his own?

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I like all these scenerio's played out....
my thinking on it is...we did somewhere decide to be in each others human life to play a role good bad or indifferent....

we all wanted to play a roll in the movie of life ....i seem to think for myself i have figured out many roles and why they are and were played...am i right...i dont know....but as bridgebuilder in her talent of writing has shared ...it is in my own experiences that i continue to be well have eye opening happenings and experiences..or would that be one in the same....

Viv, did the Armenian genocide occur in your opinion or is it a figment of my imagination and the imagination of those that both experienced it and wrote about it?

NA said:

I think,NA, you missed the point which Viv was making.
You are talking about history.
Any discussion about genocides which is connected with illusion does great disrespect for all those who suffered during said times.
So why bring it up?
There are many versions of history.
One says this, another says that.
The bottom line is that real people suffered and died.
For what?
We should seek to find ways to stop such stupidity and learn to get along in peace, whether you are asleep in your cave/illusion or walking around in the real.

Reality - is what we take to be true.
What we take to be true is what we believe.
What we believe is based upon our perceptions.
What we perceive depends upon what we look for.
What we look for depends upon what we think.
What we think depends upon what we perceive.
What we perceive determines what we believe.
What we believe determines what take to be true.
What we take to be true is our - reality.

Because there is only ONE of us playing this game

Its called the Seperation game

We have seperated ourself from God and from each other

I have to say here that the word "Illusion" is banded about far too much - I have had to learn about this myself.
For those who have expereinced it, its all well and good but it means nothing to those who havent and it could be felt to be threatening - after all what we are saying is everything we think we know doesnt exist - thats a very unstable place to be

Instead of this it may be better to work on what will lead to the expereince

What leads to the "Revelation" is forgivness of all brothers

That is presently far more usefull and to be honest to continually say all is an illusion wont make it apparant

Forgivness of our brothers is the key to it all

And................. If it doesnt lead anywhere wont life be alot happier - no grudges held in our minds - far more peacfull in our lives

What could there be to lose in at least trying it out for ourselves ?

Oooooo and just to add

When i say those of us who have expereinced it - I do not mean that we are in any way greater than those who havent yet remembered

We are all in Truth Perfect equals

If ACIM is true, then the Armenian Genocide never happened. If materiality doesn't exist now, history is an illusion. If genocides occur, then ACIM is pure escapism. You cannot not think about these things. Not thinking about these things is part of what allows for the acceptance of genocide denial.

The "ways to stop such stupidity" are known but not understood. How can reactive sleeping people understand? We have the choice to be open to the conscious experience of reality for the sake of awakening or the accepted and enhanced practice of escapism from experience thereby perpetuating sleep in Plato's cave and all the pleasantries and horrors associated with it.