I was just curious about how many here like to hunt, fish, camp, hike in the woods, etc?

As long as at the end of the day I am in a bed with a roof and my food is on a plate I am all good.

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Generally speaking, hunting and fishing are not allowed in both Buddhism and Judaism with the exception of one's life being on the line because there's nothing to eat.

In Buddhism, even though there's not an absolute prohibition on hunting and fishing, many animals are considered sentient beings with feeling and emotions like us, so why kill them if it's unnecessary? Haven't we had a pet that we hated to see die? Can't we logically extend this to other animals as well?

In Judaism, hunting is considered as a cruel way of killing that violates kosher slaughter. In Israel, animals that are overpopulated or unwanted are captured and put into large penned areas segregated by sex.

Shalom,
Vern

I enjoy nature and hiking in the wilderness ...sometimes I'll photograph nature or draw what I see... I've fished before and enjoy the patience and solitude required to do that..

But I've never really hunted animals... My uncle enjoyed hunting though.

But in the Baha'i Faith we accept that some people need to hunt in order to live but recreational hunting is pretty much out for us... I recall that during the Depression a lot of people hunting to feed themselves and their families and I accept that. But to hunt when your belly is full and you have no real need to do so is not in my view a good thing.

- Art

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Very true, Art. Growing up in the late 50's and early 60's, about 90% of our meat was venison, elk, and bear that my parents had got during season. Honestly, I was a teen before I found out that you could get steak from a beef. Pork, beef roast, and chicken was unusual.

It was even more so with my grandparents. My grandfather had 8 kids to feed, so they had something OTHER than deer, elk, bear, peccary, or ducks/geese/pheasants about once every other month, if they were lucky. Being a member of the Cherokee tribe did give him unlimited seasonal hunting use, though, so it made no difference how many deer he got. (Back then, even a non-indian could get 3 bucks a year.)

I remember a story my Grandmother told me. One Saturday, one of their roosters broke it's neck on a barbed wire fence, so my grandmother cleaned it, and plucked it, so they could have it for Sunday dinner. At the time, hunting was pretty scarce, so they'd been having stew night after night, using the same old bones. (Naturally, there was no refrigeration in those days, either, so they had no other meat. "Extra" meat was kept in ice houses, which were usually centrally located, and thus quite a distance from all the families.) The chicken would have been a treat, though with 2 adults and 8 kids, it wouldn't go very far. She put the chicken in a cooler (an invention of my grandfathers...basically a wooden packing crate with a burlap sack hung over it, both ends of the sack in a bucket of water. The burlap would soak up the water, and keep the box at about 40-50 degrees.) Anyway, she got up the next morning, went and milked the cow, and when she came in and went to put the milk up, the chicken was gone. So was my grandfather. My grandfather got back home late that afternoon, and my grandmother immediately asked him if he knew what happened to the chicken that was supposed to be their Sunday dinner. He answered, "Yup. Used it for bait." She was fuming, and demanded what he used it for bait FOR, and he took her out to the old model T truck they had...in the bed was a 200 pound channel catfish! He'd used the chicken to catch it, and the fish provided food for the family for quite a few days, plus they were able to trade some of it to a farmer for some pork, flour, and salt. She forgave him for taking her chicken.

I should say that we were always taught, too, to never kill for sport. The rule was, "You kill it, you eat it." I've lived my life this way. I go out trout fishing, and we eat the trout. I've hunted squirrels and porcupines, and I can attest to the fact that they make excellent stew. Country boy? Yes, I am.

So are you saying Jewish people and Buddhists are Vegans? If not do the animals just end up on your dinner plate 'mysteriously'? If I pay for meat I have essentially hunted by proxy

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I camp, hike and backpack a lot. In fact, I'm planning a weekend campout in Yosemite sometime in January.

I fished a lot when I lived in Alaska. I don't hunt because of the economics: when a buddy and I did go duck hunting that one time, we figured that the cost of shotguns, ammunition, hunting gear, licenses, etc., came out to about $75 per duck, and decided it was cheaper to go to the grocery store.

The other reason I don't hunt is quite simple: it's messy enough cleaning fish. I don't want to have to fool around with anything bigger than that!

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Wow...that's a great story Rev. Rex!

Thanks for sharing...

- Art

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Geshtinnanna:>>So are you saying Jewish people and Buddhists are Vegans?<<

Please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't state or imply that.

>>If not do the animals just end up on your dinner plate 'mysteriously'?<<

In the case of Judaism, it's a matter of animals not being slaughtered in a more "humane" way (although there is some debate as to whether it's humane enough). In Buddism and Judaism, it's a matter of recognizing that animals have feelings and personalities, and that this should be respected as much as possible. There are a great number of Buddhists and Jews who are vegetarian, although most will eat milk products and eggs.

>>If I pay for meat I have essentially hunted by proxy<<

Not really. It's the process of killing that's different. By chance, do you have any pets?

Shalom,
Vern

"In the case of Judaism, it's a matter of animals not being slaughtered in a more "humane" way (although there is some debate as to whether it's humane enough)", which was in my last post on this topic, is worded incorrectly. The "not" shouldn't be there obviously.

Shalom & have a nice weekend,
Vern