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Qur'an regarding arrogance or proudness - 28th March 2010, 04:06 PM

Arrogance or proudness is something that nobody likes,when a person robs,he knows and can admit he has done something wrong,when a person abuses someone,he knows and can admit that he has done something wrong.
But when a person is proud,he doesnot know that he is really proud.

God cannot tolerate proudness and this is what He says in the Qur'an:
Do not walk proudly on the earth; your feet cannot tear apart the earth nor are you as tall as the mountains." (Al-Qur’an, 17:37)."

In this perticular verse of the Qur'an, God(Allah) draws attention of the people towards the fact that we human beings are nothing but creatures who are made of flesh and mud.
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28th March 2010, 06:42 PM

Personally pride isn't something I think ought to be shied away from, pride is justified in a number of instances. Pride in onse self, ones family, ones community, etc. this is all reasonable. I understand that the Abrahamaic God likes to remind humans how awful they are, but as it isn't my god, it isn't a posistion I share.

I think it only becomes an issue when pride becomes hubris.


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28th March 2010, 10:45 PM

If I can have respect for the accomplishments of another (a great writer, poet, dancer, gymnast, philosopher, artist, mathematician, cook), then surely I'm entitled to have respect for my own accomplishments as well. To be satisfied that one has done one's best is not hubris.


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If I can have respect for the accomplishments of another (a great writer, poet, dancer, gymnast, philosopher, artist, mathematician, cook), then surely I'm entitled to have respect for my own accomplishments as well. To be satisfied that one has done one's best is not hubris.
I think that is part of the issue, that hubris is held to be equivalent with pride, which is not the case. Though since (for example Christianity) humility seems to be one of their common virtues (how it came to dominate the US I'll never quite understand), that one ought to shy away from pride (with it being one of those deadly sins and all)...


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29th March 2010, 12:29 AM

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God cannot tolerate proudness and this is what He says in the Qur'an:
Do not walk proudly on the earth; your feet cannot tear apart the earth nor are you as tall as the mountains." (Al-Qur’an, 17:37)."

In this perticular verse of the Qur'an, God(Allah) draws attention of the people towards the fact that we human beings are nothing but creatures who are made of flesh and mud.
How do you know God is a HE ?


Anyhow all facist idealogies are designed to be a clever mix of lethal sounding stuff mixed in with some good sounding stuff. The good sounding stuff provides cover for the more lethal and facist motives that lurk below the surface. If one studies charismatic leaders of cults and extremist groups (Bin-Laden, Jim Jones and much of Islam itself) of all stripes you find this phenomina.

Before one gets mesmerized by random peaceful sounding verses put-forward by Islamists..one must take a brutaly honest look at what really overall Islam offers and what its real motives are.

1. It offers denial of basic equal rights to non-muslims and threatens physical force and punishment to those who choose to exercise there God given rights to worship as they please and choose there religion or non-religion as they please.

2. The motive of Islam is world domination. Those who choose not to follow Islam will have second-class rights at best in whichever area Islamists are able to take control via any means including a shameless exploitation of democratic rights and freedoms of non-muslim countries with the really motive of subsecuently eleminating these rights and basic freedoms.

I gues its possible to be project yourself to be "humble" and be a "facist" at the same time..as these Islamists demonstrate.

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29th March 2010, 12:32 AM

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How do you know God is a HE ?


Anyhow all facist idealogies are designed to be a clever mix of lethal sounding stuff mixed in with some good sounding stuff. The good sounding stuff provides cover for the more lethal and facist motives that lurk below the surface. If one studies charismatic leaders of cults and extremist groups (Bin-Laden, Jim Jones and much of Islam itself) of all stripes you find this phenomina.

Before one gets mesmerized by random peaceful sounding verses put-forward by Islamists..one must take a brutaly honest look at what really overall Islam offers and what its real motives are.

1. It offers denial of basic equal rights to non-muslims and threatens physical force and punishment to those who choose to exercise there God given rights to worship as they please and choose there religion or non-religion as they please.

2. The motive of Islam is world domination. Where those who choose not to follow Islam will have second-class rights at best in whichever area Islamists are able to take control via any means including a shameless exploitation of democratic rights and freedoms of non-muslim countries with the really motive of subsecuently eleminating these rights and basic freedoms.

I gues its possible to be project yourself to be "humble" and be a "facist" at the same time..as these Islamists demonstrate.

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I know you like to get your Islamophobia on, but could you please start your own thread.


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29th March 2010, 12:36 AM

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I know you like to get your Islamophobia on, but could you please start your own thread.
Islamophobia ? I think the term "Phobia" is used for a exagerated perception of some danger, hence in this case since the threat is obviously not exagerated perhaps the term does not quite fit me..

Good point about starting a new thread though..
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Islamophobia ? I think the term "Phobia" is used for a exagerated perception of some danger, hence in this case since the threat is obviously not exagerated perhaps the term does not quite fit me..

Good point about starting a new thread though..
I was going to say something else, but the "The motive of Islam is world domination" bit, you're not only painting with the broadest of brushes, but you're coming off as paranoid. They said the same thing about Catholics in the 19th century too, all agents of a vast Papist conspiracy. I know a bevy of Muslims and get along with them fine, then again the modus operendi of fifth columns is to lull us into a false sense of security.


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I was going to say something else, but the "The motive of Islam is world domination" bit, you're not only painting with the broadest of brushes, but you're coming off as paranoid. They said the same thing about Catholics in the 19th century too, all agents of a vast Papist conspiracy.
I said "motive of Islam" not "motive of all muslims"..there is a difference. Simillarly if at some point in history someone would have said that "the motives of Catholic leadership is world domination"..he/she would not have been very wrong. I guess some people were "paranoid" (like me and they ensured that by seperating church and state the papal leadership would not have the capacity to control and deprive the human rights of others again..


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I know a bevy of Muslims and get along with them fine, then again the modus operendi of fifth columns is to lull us into a false sense of security.:rolleyes
I have some very good muslim friends from childhood till this day. Not sure what relevance it is to the issue at hand...You can go live in Saudi Arabia for instance..you will in all likelyhood make some very good muslim friends..but your fundamentel human rights will still be denied inspite of your having many good muslim friends. The reason for this is simple.. Islam is configured to deny you your rights and vast majority in Saudi Arabia agree with that. Its not as if some small group of people are overriding the will of vast majority of muslims at the point of the sword..the Saudi leadership will not do anything to displease its majority.

You can even go to a obscure nation such as Maldhives..it was formally a Buddhist country..but now population is muslim.. Buddhist books and Buddhist practice (and also rest of religions Hinduism etc) in public space is banned now in Maldives. Pakisthan started of as a secular country..now it has one side blashemy laws (which effectivly includes punishment for Apsotasy)..Its the same old story across the length and breadth of most areas on earth controlled by muslims..

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I said "motive of Islam" not "motive of all muslims"..there is a difference. Simillarly if at some point in history someone would have said that "the motives of Catholic leadership is world domination"..he/she would not have been very wrong. I guess some people were "paranoid" (like me and they ensured that by seperating church and state the papal leadership would not have the capacity to control and deprive the human rights of others again..




I have some very good muslim friends from childhood till this day. Not sure what relevance it is to the issue at hand...You can go live in Saudi Arabia for instance..you will in all likelyhood make some very good muslim friends..but your fundamentel human rights will still be denied inspite of your having many good muslim friends. The reason for this is simple.. Islam is configured to deny you your rights and vast majority in Saudi Arabia agree with that. Its not as if some small group of people are overriding the will of vast majority of muslims at the point of the sword..the Saudi leadership will not do anything to displease its majority.

You can even go to a obscure nation such as Maldhives..it was formally a Buddhist country..but now population is muslim.. Buddhist books and Buddhist practice (and also rest of religions Hinduism etc) in public space is banned now in Maldives. Pakisthan started of as a secular country..now it has one side blashemy laws (which effectivly includes punishment for Apsotasy)..Its the same old story across the length and breadth of most areas on earth controlled by muslims..

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Saudi Arabia and Iran are not the rest of the world, though they are excellent reminders of why theocracies are horrid modes of government.


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