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oh? I wouldn't consider this to be very respectful...:
Koran.004 4.34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. |
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Remember this is a translation, the word in arabic is idribuhunna and to translate it as beat is too harsh in my opinion, especially in that context.
Like if you read just a few verses before that one you'll find this verse: "O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. (The Noble Quran, 4:19)" By the way, this chapter of the Quran is called THE WOMEN, and it gave lots or rights to women that weren't there before. So in my opinion it doesn't make sense to tell muslims to be kind to women and give them their rights, and at the same time beat the hell out of them, don't you think? Even if someone is still confused, you should know that domestic violence and beating the hell out of women or anything else that comes to your mind is forbidden in Islam. Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: "I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139)" Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah: "I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2138)" There ya go, Muhammad himself telling muslims not to beat women ![]() Hope that was helpful ![]()
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source :http://www.crescentlife.com/thisthat...men_yuksel.htm
A Coherent Understanding When we read 4:34 we should not understand "idribuhunne" as "beat those women". We must remember that this word has many meanings. God gives us three ways of dealing with extra-marital-affair. In the beginning stage of such misbehavior husband should start from giving advice. If it does not work and she goes further and commits a proven adultery, that time husband has the right to strike them out (4:34 & 65:1). Let's present our suggestion for the translation of verse 4:34 "Men traditionally take care of women, since God has endowed each of them with certain qualities and men spend from their financial resources. The righteous women are obedient (to God) and during the absence (of their husband) they honor them according to God's commandment. As for those women whom you are experiencing a fear of disloyalty from, you shall first advice them, then (if they continue) you may desert them in bed, then you may strike them out. If they obey you then don't transgress against them. God is Most High, Supreme." (4:34). Beating women who are cheating is not an ultimate solution; but "striking them out" from your house is the best solution. And it is fair too. ~~~~~ I have added 65:1 so you can see how well this new translation( strike them out) fits with the other referenced verse on divorce [65:1] O you prophet, when you people divorce the women, you shall ensure that a divorce interim is fulfilled. You shall measure such an interim precisely.* You shall reverence GOD your Lord. Do not evict them from their homes, nor shall you make life miserable for them, to force them to leave on their own, unless they commit a proven adultery. These are GOD's laws. Anyone who transgresses GOD's laws commits an injustice against himself. You never know; maybe GOD wills something good to come out of this. *65:1 The divorcee's interim, before becoming eligible for remarriage, is a waiting period of three menstruations. This ensures that the divorcee was not pregnant
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You speak alot about women as mothers
Greetings friends! I noticed that you speak much about women as mothers but you say nothing that would lead me to believe that they have any value as people unless they are procreating. In other words it seems from what has been written here that a woman's only purpose is to be a breeder. If this is not so, then why are many women married off when they are just children? Old enough to breed but not old enough to know who they are as people or to have developed any idea of what they might like to be or do with their lives. If there is anything in the holy writings on this subject, please post them, as i think this is a subject which has great personal interest to many people. Thank you!
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Depending on the culture the woman lives in, she absolutely may take off her Hijab. Here in America, for instance, many muslim women go without their head-scarves, if they like. The religion is not to be blamed for the failures of mankind to adhere to it properly. Overbearing cultures cause most of the problems in any religion. |
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This is a valid point you make and one that would concern me as well, if that is all I knew of the subject. Please forgive those of us who do not think of every question before it is asked, for our intention is not to mislead, but rather to learn and grow as we progress through this life. Therefore, please allow me to elaborate just a little more on the honoring of women subject at hand. Women are definitely honored as mothers. I pray no one sees anything wrong with this; as without women, we would have no mothers. Eve, our first mother is not blamed for the original sin, but rather both Adam and Eve must account for the sin they committed and they both had to suffer its consequences. Childbearing is considered an Honor in Islam, not a punishment. There is a book in the Qur'an entitled "Mary" which is about the virtuousness of the Virgin Mary and how God provided for her from the time she was a small child. A Muslim man must care for his unmarried sisters, by Sharia law. (this could in fact be a poor reason why they mistreat women in "muslim countries"; the men are frustrated with having this burden). Again, culture diminishes the truth of religion; but in a utopian islamic world, the sister would not have to do anything except have fun and wait for the angels to finish preparing her husband for her. A woman (girl) is encouraged to become educated. Without women doctors, who would the man send his precious wife and daughters to? A male doctor? In addition... if a girl is suppose to be taught by a woman... a woman teacher would be needed. The first wife of the Prophet,pbuh, was a very successful business-owner. True islam teaches that women should take responsibility for the gifts Allah has bestowed upon them... humanity, freedom, intelligence, etc. The cultures that submit women to abominable conditions are not representative of Islam. The men and cultures who have been doing wrong all these years will have to answer before God for their wrongdoing. For, surely they have been the root of this gross misinterpretation and misunderstanding of the true role of women in Islam. |
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Originally Posted by revpo Interesting if it is followed. I presume woman wearing these head scarfs, covering their faces etc., is just for religion purposes and can take the coverings off if they please in public? revpo well women in all major religions are required to cover their head and lower their gazes , hinduism sikhism , christianity judaisim and islam you have to go through origional texts of these religions to believe it in my humble opinion if they take it off in public , they are disobeying the will of God and that accounts to a sin may peace be on all of you |
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