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Old 21st June 2008, 05:52 PM
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Chronological order

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Salam Alaikum,

as far as I know the Qur'an has already been written during the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad, may he be blessed.

The question I have is the following: why are the Sura in the Qur'an not in the chronological order?


Do you mean to say that why are not the surahs in the Qur'an arranged according to the time and date of events that occured during lifetime of
Prophet(pbuh)?

In the revelation of Qur'an, there are 2 aspects:
1) Order of Revelation
2) Order of Compilation.

1) Order of revelation means the sequence in which the ayats or verses
were revealed?This refers to the events that took place during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) eg. Battles,Hajj, and etc.

2) Order of Compilation is the sequence in which God wanted the verses
to be arranged and those compilation later on took the shape of Qur'an.

Yes,Qur'an was completely revealed during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) but different Scholars have different views on its collection.

Some Scholars claim that Qur'an was completely compiled during the lifetime
of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) some claim that it was collected and compiled later on. But it is the only divine revelation of God that is still present in its
original form since 1400 years.
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I am curious, See, I think that Mohammed was a prophet, as some higher being related information to help civilize and illuminate human beings who were very barbaric.
This information being the Koran.
But I don't consider him to be the final or last word on anything.
Isn't saying such a thing restricting Allah?
No one can say with authority that God will not come down and speak more to us.
We certainly need more than the cryptic verses and riddles which both the Koran and the Tenach impart.
Now I know that I would be considered an infidel as I am not a muslim.
I am Bnai Noach and believe that Allah and Yahweh are the same deity.
The path of faith I follow predates both Islam and Judaism, yet honors the same deity.
I am not dogmatic about a name as God is supreme and above such material concerns and would not be so PETTY as to insist that one only refer to Him by a special name.

So do all muslims believe that all non-muslims need to become muslims or perish???????
What are your comments?
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Islam says that only a muslim will enter paradise.. everyone else will go to hell... but non muslims still hav the time to change and turn to islam. Otherwise if everyone was to go to heaven then wats the point of life.. whats the point in living. The prophet Muhammad (s) was the last prophet and no.. there is no revelation or prophet cumin after him.. he is the seal of all prophets.. Besides what more do u need.. If u read the quran ull realize its like a guide to ur whole life.. From teh day ur born till u die...but not many people realize this because tehy dont know about it.. they always tend to think negative of islam


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I am curious, See, I think that Mohammed was a prophet, as some higher being related information to help civilize and illuminate human beings who were very barbaric.
This information being the Koran.
But I don't consider him to be the final or last word on anything.
Isn't saying such a thing restricting Allah?
No one can say with authority that God will not come down and speak more to us.
We certainly need more than the cryptic verses and riddles which both the Koran and the Tenach impart.
Now I know that I would be considered an infidel as I am not a muslim.
I am Bnai Noach and believe that Allah and Yahweh are the same deity.
The path of faith I follow predates both Islam and Judaism, yet honors the same deity.
I am not dogmatic about a name as God is supreme and above such material concerns and would not be so PETTY as to insist that one only refer to Him by a special name.

So do all muslims believe that all non-muslims need to become muslims or perish???????
What are your comments?
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Old 16th August 2008, 04:47 PM
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Islam says that only a muslim will enter paradise.. everyone else will go to hell... but non muslims still hav the time to change and turn to islam. Otherwise if everyone was to go to heaven then wats the point of life.. whats the point in living.

With all due respect that is utterly feeble minded thinking.

The problem with all these religions is that people actually believe this nonsense about heaven and hell and thereby voluntarily subject themselves like sheep to be guided by their religious leaders and so they cease to think for themselves.

This is what keeps us in the dark ages.

Such thinking does not bring the diverse elements of humanity together it just divides us all.

As one group will be thinking highly of themselves that they are believers and all others are infidels who are going to hell.

This is evil psychology and does not come from God/Allah.
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I wanna ask u.. Are u a muslim??? if not which religion??


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With all due respect that is utterly feeble minded thinking.

The problem with all these religions is that people actually believe this nonsense about heaven and hell and thereby voluntarily subject themselves like sheep to be guided by their religious leaders and so they cease to think for themselves.

This is what keeps us in the dark ages.

Such thinking does not bring the diverse elements of humanity together it just divides us all.

As one group will be thinking highly of themselves that they are believers and all others are infidels who are going to hell.

This is evil psychology and does not come from God/Allah.
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I am not particularly religious although I once was.
I do not believe in religions.
I do however believe in God.
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Originally Posted by shaw-n
I am curious, See, I think that Mohammed was a prophet, as some higher being related information to help civilize and illuminate human beings who were very barbaric.
This information being the Koran.
But I don't consider him to be the final or last word on anything.
Isn't saying such a thing restricting Allah?
No one can say with authority that God will not come down and speak more to us.
We certainly need more than the cryptic verses and riddles which both the Koran and the Tenach impart.
Now I know that I would be considered an infidel as I am not a muslim.
I am Bnai Noach and believe that Allah and Yahweh are the same deity.
The path of faith I follow predates both Islam and Judaism, yet honors the same deity.
I am not dogmatic about a name as God is supreme and above such material concerns and would not be so PETTY as to insist that one only refer to Him by a special name.

So do all muslims believe that all non-muslims need to become muslims or perish???????
What are your comments?

Hi Shaw-n,

This is true shaw, Muslims believe that the only way of salvation is the Islamic way; however, there are some [quite a large number] who believe that if a person has never heard [been recieved by the message] sufficiently of Islam [and there is a difference of opinion as to what constitues a 'sufficient' message], then he will be pardoned from any chastisement in the hereafter due to his ignorance; this pardoning is as a default due to his ignorance and not as recognition of his own religion being valid, and at least half the Muslims of the world beleive that those who havn't received the message of Islam, have to be monothiests in order to be spared from punishment, as the fact of monothiesm is reachable by intellect alone and without revelation.

It is the Islamic belief that with the advent of the Prophet Muhamamd [saw], all other previously divine religions have been abrogated and all mankind are now obligated to follow the last Messenger Muhammad [saw], who has been sent to all mankind, and the last and final revelation, the Holy Quran.
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It is my opinion that any God who demands worship or die is no God at all and is just a more advanced being who is using their technological superiority to force all humanity into servitude and slavery.
Just because they are more technologically advanced does not make them God it just shows how primitive we really are.
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It is my opinion that any God who demands worship or die is no God at all and is just a more advanced being who is using their technological superiority to force all humanity into servitude and slavery.
Just because they are more technologically advanced does not make them God it just shows how primitive we really are.

Hi shaw-n,

But if Allah sends us revelation and messengers, warning us of punishment in the hereafter and gives glad tidings for the righteous, and clarifies the right and wrong path for us, and thereafter if people still reject God or His Message, then do they themselves not accept to go to hell?, and in this circumstance, if Allah punishes a person, then how would that be unjust?

Isn't 'Justice' an attribute of God?
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Isn't 'Justice' an attribute of God?

It is my belief that "justice" is an attribute of man.
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