Their was a sect in Judaism that use to hold Prophet Ezra as the son of God but I don't think that sect still exists or not.

No, there are no records from any Jewish community, anywhere, suggesting that any Jew believed that Ezra was the son of God.

Now, it is true that Dr. Saifullah said:


But we should take note of two things: first, that Ibn Hazm lived during the late 9th and early 10th centuries in Cordoba, Spain. Therefore, his statements are pure conjecture, and are nothing more than an attempt to explain away this error in the Qur’an. And second, notice the words "proposed" and "assumption".

I repeat, there are no records from any Jewish community that believed Ezra was the Son of God! Qur'an 9:30 is simply an error, as are the two Hadith that make the same claim.

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Evengli,

Which record are you talking about? Are you talking about historical or religious record?

If Ibn Hazm lived in Spain in the period of 9th and 10th Century ,it doesnot prove that he lived in Spain even before that and please note that Qur'an was completely revealed before 9th and 10th century and all the historical records mentioned in it refer to the reality that existed at that time.

Their were many groups that had different beliefs and views that existed in the past but in the present time we donot have any presence of them.

In the similar way,their was a sect in Judaism which believed Ezra to be the son of God but in present we donot see their presence.

Most of the Jews reject many statements of Qur'an, they even claim that Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) doesnot deserve to be a Prophet since he (naozubiliah) was a lier but we have historical records and evidences from the Qur'an that proves His prophethood and even the previous scriptures like Bible refer to him.

Using Jewish Community as a criterion to prove Qur'an wrong is nothing but your poor and biased judgment. By the way Evengli, how can you trust the Jewish Community and prove Qur'an wrong from it since you yourself donot believe in any religion? What made you believe in the statement of Jewish community?

How much knowledge of Qur'an do you have Sir, you donot have any belief and research on religious scriptures ,on what basis do you claim that verse of Qur'an to be in error?

You so far have not been able to prove the perfection of science and come out with full confidence and try to pass your comments on Qur'an.

I have another question for Evengli,that if the verse of the Qur'an which claims that their was a jewish group believing Ezra to be son of God and it was referring to the Jewish Arabs of that time,why didnot the Jewish Arabs of that time object to this verse of the Qur'an when it was revealed? Do we have any record of such objection in the history?



Thanks

Correction of the question:
If the verse of the Qur'an which claims that their was a jewish group believing Ezra to be son of God and it was referring to the Jewish Arabs of that time is wrong and false,why didnot the Jewish Arabs of that time object to this verse of the Qur'an when it was revealed? Do we have any record of such objection in the history?

The Jews weren't reading the Qur'an, it wasn't written for them. And it is perhaps not quite as safe as you think for the minority to object to the majority opinion.

In any case, I can see that this is troublesome for you. But let me point out something. The text (9:30) in the Qur'an doesn't say "a Jewish group" believed that Ezra was the son of Allah, but that "the Jews" believed it.

The Jews were quite notorious for writing things down. We have lots and lots of writings from the Jews from wherever they settled. And as far as I can tell, there is not one scrap of any of that writing that claims that Ezra was the son of God.

I went so far as to find two references that do claim that, but then I went on to show how they were not reliable for quite obvious reasons.

Now, if you have a reference -- from any reliable Jewish source -- let's see it. Put it here where we can examine and test it. But if you do not, if there is no such reference, then I'm afraid that my claim must remain -- the Qur'an is in error when it makes the claim that the Jews believed Ezra to be the son of God. And in fact, for the Jews, such an idea would have been an outrageous blasphemy.

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So it means that muslims are stupid inspite of being a minority in the West
they start protest against the cartoon contraversies of Muhammad(pbuh).
Please note that the jewish group that believed Ezra(pbuh) to be the son of God was "Arabic" not Isreali so reading Qur'an for them was definitely possible (your argument doesnot make sense)and the Jews living at that time weren't ignorant of the revealations that Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) recieved.
God says that Jews know Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) as closely as they know their kids but they reject it because they only accept those Prophets and Messengers who came from progeny of Isaac(pbuh) not from the progeny of Ismail(pbuh) and Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) came from the progeny of Ismail(pbuh).


The Arab Jews even existed before the arrival of Muhammad(pbuh) and the city Medinah which was called "Yasrib" at that time was dominated by Jews ,they had economical and political hold of Medinah,when people of Medinah had any social or any other issues they use to consult the Jewish Leaders(Rabbies) of that time. They were physcians,judges and had their own businesses of agriculture there.



Even at present their are Arab Jews which are in Iraq,Isreal and some in Egypt.
Jewish historical Records doesnot have each and every information of their history and thats why we see discrepencies
in different Jewish sects.

Evengli, you donot know anything about Jewish and Islamic History so please don't waiste your time on this. Please concentrate on your scientific research and find out ways of proving the non-existance of God ,these religious matters will pass over ur head.

Hahahahah

Quite possibly, but I note that you did not answer my challenge to provide even one source showing that there were Jews who believed that Ezra was the Son of God.

Poking abusive fun at me is really no substitute for valid argument, unless of course it's all you've got.

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Okay the original question of this forum was dealing with Muslims being able to refuse their husband.. As a Muslim woman I have to respectively disagree with you Fahad1 sorry..

The opinions of the scholars on the matter of women denying sex is very controversial but I want to throw this out there..Although I do not deny traditions or opinions of the scholars in general they are but opinions of scholars. There is no Qu'ranic evidence to say that a woman doesn't have the right to refuse her husband from having sex with her. The Qu'ran was one of the first sources to give women rights far before women in other places had them.

Great post mizzjaiy, and welcome to this forum!

Independent from what the Qu'ran says or not, I would find it interesting to hear also your personal opinion (being a Muslim) on this subject.... if you care to share that is : )

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