Kosher and Halal

[Fahad1]

Kosher as you know is a legal meat in Jeudaism and Halal is a legal meat in Islam. Both jews and muslims make their meat kosher and halal by offering prayers while cuting the animal and both pronounce Gods name before sacrificing the animal.

In Islam we muslims are strictly ordered by God to eat halal meat but if we are not able to find halal meat in any place in a non-muslim country then we can eat kosher meat from any store or market.

Regards,

[Jewscout]

Originally Posted by Fahad1

Kosher as you know is a legal meat in Jeudaism and Halal is a legal meat in Islam. Both jews and muslims make their meat kosher and halal by offering prayers while cuting the animal and both pronounce Gods name before sacrificing the animal.

In Islam we muslims are strictly ordered by God to eat halal meat but if we are not able to find halal meat in any place in a non-muslim country then we can eat kosher meat from any store or market.

Regards,

this is very true...only problem is it doesn't work the other way

[withdrawnmist]

This is fascinating..Thank you for this topic.

What would happen then , in the worse case scenario that no kosher or halal food was available at all ?......does not the case for survival overrule the non-permission to eat non kosher/halal food ?

...also..if I may enquire further of Fahad1....is there then a sliding scale of Halal-'ness ? assuming then that Kosher food is allowed to be eaten should there be no halal food available ?...

Thank you very much in advance for your answers.

[Fahad1]

A good question,

Well generally Qur'an forbids muslims from eating any other meat on which Gods name has not been pronounced and which has not been cut in a proper way but their is a different approach of Islam towards pork and other non-halal meat.
Pork is considered as the most unacceptable meat in Islam and in Qur'an ,Allah(swt) strictly forbids muslims from eating the meat of pork but their is exception to it. For example if a person is travelling from one place to another and all the food items that he has taken with him finish up soon and during his journey he feels very hungry and he finds no goat or cow on the way and he is in a position of dying from hunger then God shows flexibility in this case and says that if a person in this situation finds a pig, then he can eat a portion of his meat inorder to save his life.
Islam does show flexibility when situation is pretty sensitive but one should not take advantage from that flexibility.
I hope this helps answer your question.


I will inshallah mention in detail why pork is forbidden in Islam in religious debate.

[withdrawnmist]

Thank fahda1 for your concise answer...what about shell fish...prawns...lobster etc...I understand they are not kosher...are they halal ?
...also ..can you eat milk with meat ..which i understand is not allowed in judaism ?

Thank you for a very intersting topic.

[Luguber]

According to Swedish law, Kosher slaughtering is banned. Our laws concerning cruelty to animals takes precedence over religious freedom. Muslims have worked out a compromise, in that the animal is sufficiently stunned before the slitting of the throat.

I don't know how Jews manage, but I'd guess that they import meat from Denmark. Import isn't banned. There are companies importing Halal meat.

[withdrawnmist]

This is interesting....why should the animal not be stunned before slaughter ?

[Lecter]

Originally Posted by withdrawnmist

Thank fahda1 for your concise answer...what about shell fish...prawns...lobster etc...I understand they are not kosher...are they halal ?
...also ..can you eat milk with meat ..which i understand is not allowed in judaism ?

Thank you for a very intersting topic.

May i try and answere that question?

As far as animals, muslims are not allowed to eat dead animals, as in animals that have died from natural causes. The only exception to that are fish and bugs, (though i don't wanna eat bugs )

Muslims are to only eat meat that is slaughtered in an Islamic way, hence the word halal.

We have strict rules when it comes to slaughtering the animals. Some of the rules include, using a very sharp knife, the animal should not see the knife before slaughteing it, not to slaughter animals infront of each other, cutting is to be made in the neck so that the major vein and throat are cut swiftly, and most important, we must mention God's name when doing it.

God's Messenger(s) was reported as saying: 'Allah Who is Blessed and Exalted, has prescribed benevolence toward everything {and has ordained that everything be done in a good way}; so, when you must kill a living being, do it in the best manner and, when you slaughter an animal, you should {use the best method and} sharpen your knife so as to cause the animal as little pain as possible.

The Holy Prophet(s) said to a man who was sharpening his knife in the presence of the animal: 'Do you intend inflicting death on the animal twice - once by sharpening the knife within its sight, and once by cutting its throat?' (Al-Furu Min-al-Kafi Lil-Kulini; 6:230).

However in some cases, like if a muslim is living in a non muslim country and he has no choice then it's ok to eat meat that is not slaughterd in a muslim way.

"He only prohibits for you the eating of animals that die
of themselves (without human interference), blood, the
meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than GOD. If
one is forced (to eat these), without being malicious or
deliberate, he incurs no sin. GOD is Forgiver, Most
Merciful." [2:173]

So to asnwere your question, it is ok to eat fish and milk and all that.
Like in Islam we are not told what we are supposed to eat, it's more like we can EVERYTHING but this this and that, so to speak.

[22:30] Those who reverence the rites decreed by GOD have deserved
a good reward at their Lord. All livestock is made lawful for your food,
except for those specifically prohibited for you. You shall avoid the
abomination of idol worship, and avoid bearing false witness.

[2:168] O people, eat from the earth's products all that is lawful and
good, and do not follow the steps of Satan; he is your most ardent
enemy.

[5:96] All fish of the sea are made lawful for you to eat. During
pilgrimage, this may provide for you during your journey. You shall not
hunt throughout the pilgrimage. You shall reverence GOD, before whom
you will be summoned.

[2:172] O you who believe, eat from the good things we provided for
you, and be thankful to GOD, if you do worship Him alone.

[5:93] Those who believe and lead a righteous life bear no guilt by
eating any food, so long as they observe the commandments, believe
and lead a righteous life, then maintain their piety and faith, and
continue to observe piety and righteousness. GOD loves the righteous.

[2:173] He only prohibits for you the eating of animals that die of
themselves (without human interference), blood, the meat of pigs, and
animals dedicated to other than GOD. If one is forced (to eat these),
without being malicious or deliberate, he incurs no sin. GOD is
Forgiver, Most Merciful.

[5:3] Prohibited for you are animals that die of themselves, blood, the
meat of pigs,* and animals dedicated to other than GOD. (Animals that
die of themselves include those) strangled, struck with an object,
fallen from a height, gored, attacked by a wild animal - unless you save your
animal before it dies - and animals sacrificed on altars. Also prohibited
is dividing the meat through a game of chance; this is an abomination.
Today, the disbelievers have given up concerning (the eradication of)
your religion; do not fear them and fear Me instead. Today, I have
completed your religion, perfected My blessing upon you, and I have
decreed Submission as the religion for you. If one is forced by famine
(to eat PROHIBITED FOOD), without being deliberately sinful, then GOD
is Forgiver, Merciful.

Hope that was helpful.


(sorry for the long reply)