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Is Mankind Intrinsically Good? - 12th September 2006, 06:32 PM

What do you think?


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13th September 2006, 02:11 AM

No. I don't believe a species can be good or bad. Natural law has no morals.


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13th September 2006, 07:55 AM

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No. I don't believe a species can be good or bad. Natural law has no morals.
A very profound thought.

The problem with being good is that it is not for everyone. It seems that selfishly speaking, humankind likes to experiment with how far they can go in this physical existence and to find out what exactly they can get away with. There is no doubt that almost everyone has seen the effects that goodness can bring about peace and joy, it is the consequences of being bad that they haven't proven yet.


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13th September 2006, 10:28 AM

Yes i believe so


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14th September 2006, 04:09 PM

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No. I don't believe a species can be good or bad. Natural law has no morals.
Then we will have to change the question. If we say that Good is whatever the species agrees on and Bad is whatever is contrary to that the question becomes Are humans naturally self-destructive? The answer is obvious.
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15th September 2006, 11:40 AM

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Then we will have to change the question. If we say that Good is whatever the species agrees on and Bad is whatever is contrary to that the question becomes Are humans naturally self-destructive? The answer is obvious.
The only thing humans are is naturally human. What makes us natrually self destructive is our denial of what we are. I mean really are in the big picture. As long as we think we are ahead of, superior to, excusedf from, we wil always be self destructive. Good and evil is subjective anyways. Even the cannibal thinks they are good in wanting to eat another human.


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15th September 2006, 11:56 AM

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The only thing humans are is naturally human. What makes us natrually self destructive is our denial of what we are.
If something makes us self-destructive then we are not naturally self-destructive. It is a sustainably reversible condition.
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16th September 2006, 06:52 AM

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If something makes us self-destructive then we are not naturally self-destructive. It is a sustainably reversible condition.
Ok, I can agree with that. Maybe the passage of time and our growing ego has made it something natural now within human culture. We perpetuate it. I still don't think a species has a moral value. If so, point me out an evil species.


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2nd October 2006, 04:31 AM

I use words like good and evil just to facilitate communication with most people. However, the truth is that I do not believe they really absolutely exist; like beauty/ugliness they are really in the eye of the beholder and oft dependant on culture.


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2nd October 2006, 05:16 PM

I share with the Dalai Lama the firm belief that the fundamental nature of humans is gentleness. And since I can't put it into better words than him, here's a quote from his book The Art of Happiness:

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"So first, if we look at the very pattern of our existence from an early age until our death, we can see the way in which we are fundamentally nurtured by other's affection. It begins at birth. Our very first act after birth is to suck our mother's or someone else's milk. That is an act of affection, of compassion. Without that act, we cannot survive. That's clear. And that action cannot be fulfilled unless there is a mutual feeling of affection. From the child's side, if there is no feeling of affection, no bond, towards the person who is giving the milk, then the child may not suck the milk. And without affection from the part of the mother or someone else, then the milk may not come freely. So that's the way of life. That's reality.

Then, our physical structure seems to be more suited to feelings of love and compassion. We can see how a calm, affectionate, wholesome state of mind has beneficial effects on our health and physical well-being. Conversely, feelings of frustration, fear, agitation, and anger can be destructive to our health ..."


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