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Isreals concern over Iran

"Israel has said a strike on Iran will be "unavoidable" if the Islamic regime continues to press ahead with alleged plans for building an atom-bomb." (London Daily Telegraph, 6/11/2008)

My question is that why is Isreal so much concerned about the Nuclear Program of Iran?

Isn't Isreal trying to escalate the world situation by striking Iran and being responsible for the World War3?


Should the words of Isreal be heard since the last 50 years this country has broken the UN Laws and never respected the UN resolution?
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From a Washington Post article

By SEAN YOONG
The Associated Press
Thursday, August 3, 2006; 10:49 AM

PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Thursday the solution to the Middle East crisis is to destroy Israel.


from an article in the Iran Press Service.

TEHRAN 14 Dec. (IPS) One of Iran’s most influential ruling cleric called Friday on the Muslim states to use nuclear weapon against Israel, assuring them that while such an attack would annihilate Israel, it would cost them "damages only".

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I think Israel might have real reason to fear Iran possessing nuclear weapons, given what Iran's leaders themselves say, don't you?
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PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Thursday the solution to the Middle East crisis is to destroy Israel.
That's again the several years old mistranslation.

Ahmadinejad said that the Israeli government will (eventually) vanish, but didn't in any way indicate when or how and by whom.
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I think Israel might have real reason to fear Iran possessing nuclear weapons, given what Iran's leaders themselves say, don't you?
Israel has nukes. Iran has none, and has religiously (and you know what religion means to them) claimed that they won't ever get any, and recent reports from US agencies don't find anything that hints at more than their internationally in every way legal rights to go for nuclear power plants.
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That's again the several years old mistranslation.

Ahmadinejad said that the Israeli government will (eventually) vanish, but didn't in any way indicate when or how and by whom.
Poor guy gets misquoted (or mistranslated) a lot. How about this one, from FOX News:
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TEHRAN, Iran — Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Sunday said the world would witness the destruction of Israel soon, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported.

Ahmadinejad said last summer's war between Israel and Hezbollah showed for the first time that the "hegemony of the occupier regime [Israel] had collapsed, and the Lebanese nation pushed the button to begin counting the days until the destruction of the Zionist regime," IRNA quoted him as saying.

"God willing, in the near future we will witness the destruction of the corrupt occupier regime," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying during a speech to foreign guests who attended ceremonies marking the 18th anniversary of the death of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who is known as the father of Iran's 1979 Islamic Revolution.

Or any of a long list of "mistranslations" in Wikipedia, the point of mentioning them being to demonstrate the amount of really rather spiteful disingenuousness coming from the man's mouth.

If I had a neighbour who threatened to kill me and my family as soon as he got a gun, I certainly would want to prevent him getting a gun. I doubt, really, that in a similar circumstance you would run out and buy him one.
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That's again the several years old mistranslation.

Ahmadinejad said that the Israeli government will (eventually) vanish, but didn't in any way indicate when or how and by whom.

Ahmadinejad and some others in the Iranian government have repeated called for the destruction of Israel, so it's certainly not a "mistranslation".

One major problem Israel has is the smallness of the country. I've stood on high points in Jerusalem, which is in eastern Israel, and you can see all the way to the Mediterranean on the west. Simply put, one well placed strategic nuclear warhead could wipe out most of the major population centers in Israel.

IMO, the clerics running Iran (Ahmadinejad is really just a figurehead, although his popularity has been growing) actually are sort of inviting an attack by either Israel of the U.S. for a couple of reasons, and one reason is that they know that neither the U.S. or Israel can occupy Iran, and if either country attacks, they can garner great support from surrounding countries and, along with that, watch the western world have to deal with skyrocketing oil prices and a probably shortage of oil worldwide. IOW, it may well be worth inviting the attack.Another reason is that by taunting Israel, this has a great deal of appeal to Iran's neighbors along with certain groups that are also hostile to the U.S. IOW, Iran is sort of saying "Don't screw around with me or else...", which is playing quite well in neighboring areas.

We have to remember that these clerics are Shi'i who are undoubtedly more than willing to give up their life in a "just cause". However, I have strong doubts that an Israeli or U.S. attack on Iran's nuclear facilities would invovle an attack on Tehran itself.

So, I think much of what we're hearing is rhetoric-- at least I hope so.
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Poor guy gets misquoted (or mistranslated) a lot. How about this one, from FOX News:


Or any of a long list of "mistranslations" in Wikipedia, the point of mentioning them being to demonstrate the amount of really rather spiteful disingenuousness coming from the man's mouth.

If I had a neighbour who threatened to kill me and my family as soon as he got a gun, I certainly would want to prevent him getting a gun. I doubt, really, that in a similar circumstance you would run out and buy him one.


As far as claiming the destruction of Isreal is concerned, the destruction could also take place by natural disaster not necessarily by nuclear weapon and what Ahmadinejad has expressed is his views on Isreal.

The world knows what Isreal did with Lebanon recently especially with South Lebanon.

It is a shame and really disappointing to note that when Isreal directly attacked Lebanon without taking permission from UNO and breaking International Law. Non of the Western Countries came forward and stopped Isreal but when Iran the country which is facing several problems and doesnot have a mature Nuclear Weapon and is still seeking ways to acquire Nuclear Energy is blamed to attack such a technologically advance country Isreal.


I am 110% sure if Isreal would have directly attacked Iran instead of Lebanon, then this same Western Media would have been relaxed and considering it has nothing but a piece of cake.


This is not something new, Isreal has done this even in the past, capturing Suez Canal of Egypt and sending its forces into Lebanons main city Beurit and opening fire on civilians.

The Isreali kids signed the Missiles that were fired on Lebanon indicating it as a gift sent by Isreali kids for lebonese. And Western Media calls Isreal as peaceful country.


And when Ahmadinejad curses Isreal by saying that the world will see Isreals destruction, you make Iran the biggest rival of Isreal.


There is a great saying, you do good, you get good in return and vice versa and it is also a saying that you get what ever you sown.
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This is not something new, Isreal has done this even in the past, capturing Suez Canal of Egypt
Ya gotta love it! There was poor Egypt just sitting around knitting peacefully when mean ol' Israel wanders in and takes their canal away from them! Bad! Naughty Isreal.

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The Six-Day War (Arabic: حرب الأيام الستة‎, Ḥarb al‑Ayyam as‑Sitta or more commonly Arabic: حرب 1967‎, Ḥarb 1967; Hebrew: מלחמת ששת הימים‎, Milhemet Sheshet Ha‑Yamim), also known as the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, the Third Arab-Israeli War, Six Days' War, an‑Naksah (The Setback), or the June War, was fought between Israel and Arab neighbors Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. The nations of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Tunisia, Morocco and Algeria also contributed troops and arms to the Arab forces.

In May 1967, Egypt expelled the United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF) from the Sinai Peninsula, which had been stationed there since 1957 (following the 1956 Sinai invasion to allow for a free Suez Canal) to provide a peace-keeping buffer zone. In reaction to Israeli-Syrian tensions, Egypt amassed 1000 tanks and 100,000 soldiers on the border, closed the Straits of Tiran to all ships flying Israeli flags or carrying strategic materials, and called for unified Arab action against Israel. In response, on June 5, 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive attack against Egypt's airforce. Jordan, which had signed a mutual defence treaty with Egypt on May 30, then attacked western Jerusalem and Netanya.
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Wikipedia: Six-Day War
Look, we all get our history books with our own side's somewhat biased viewpoint. History books on your side are biased towards an Arab/Muslim viewpoint. On our side towards a Judaeo-Christian viewpoint. Somewhere in between lies the real truth, but you and I will never know it all of it. Nor will anybody else.

But I can promise one thing, for an absolute certainty. As long as anybody continues to say "I'm right, the other guy's wrong -- always," then we will continue to fight and kill each other. If we want to stop killing each other, then just maybe we have to put down more than the guns. Maybe we have to put down our prejudices, our hatreds, and the rhetoric, too!

Otherwise, buy stock in body-bags.
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