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Is "healer" Curry Blake a fraud? - 8th May 2009, 11:20 AM

I was asked in another thread to prove Curry Blake, General Overseer of John G. lake Ministries and purveyor of the Divine Healing Technician course, is a fraud.

I think it works the other way around. He has been supposedly "healing" people for years, in addition to raising people from the dead. There are several reports of him "healing" someone who later admitted was not sick (Blake denies this). There are several reports of people seeming to be well, but going right "back" to how sick they were before (Blake claims that their family didn't have enough faith - see note at bottom). There are also reports of him not being able to heal people (to this he says even Jesus did not heal everyone and that it is not in God's design for everyone to be healed).

There is, however, not one (that I can find) clinically verified and proven case of someone being healed by this person or by anyone who bought his "healing" course. Not one, yet he claims to have healed tens of thousands of people and even raised many people from the dead.

Does anyone have even one single instance of documented, clinically verified healing by this man (or better yet a documented, clinically verified case of someone being raised from the dead?

NOTE: Blake insists that one need not have faith to be healed, but someone else must "substitute" their faith, and if they do not have the faith, the healing will not work. He goes on to say that the family cannot be blamed for not having faith and should never be told (if he believes this, isn't that lying?) because a minister should have faith for his "weaker" followers and lead by example to help them get more faith. Here's Curry's Q & A sheet from his ministry - I find it rather scary (and proves he isn't as much of a follower of the bible as he claims). At one point, for the question on why healing ministers have sick family members, his answer is that we should not judge ministries, as they are akin to the Word of God, which also should not be judged. Q & A
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8th May 2009, 11:43 AM

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I was asked in another thread to prove Curry Blake, General Overseer of John G. lake Ministries and purveyor of the Divine Healing Technician course, is a fraud.

I think it works the other way around. He has been supposedly "healing" people for years, in addition to raising people from the dead. There are several reports of him "healing" someone who later admitted was not sick (Blake denies this). There are several reports of people seeming to be well, but going right "back" to how sick they were before (Blake claims that their family didn't have enough faith - see note at bottom). There are also reports of him not being able to heal people (to this he says even Jesus did not heal everyone and that it is not in God's design for everyone to be healed).

There is, however, not one (that I can find) clinically verified and proven case of someone being healed by this person or by anyone who bought his "healing" course. Not one, yet he claims to have healed tens of thousands of people and even raised many people from the dead.

Does anyone have even one single instance of documented, clinically verified healing by this man (or better yet a documented, clinically verified case of someone being raised from the dead?

NOTE: Blake insists that one need not have faith to be healed, but someone else must "substitute" their faith, and if they do not have the faith, the healing will not work. He goes on to say that the family cannot be blamed for not having faith and should never be told (if he believes this, isn't that lying?) because a minister should have faith for his "weaker" followers and lead by example to help them get more faith. Here's Curry's Q & A sheet from his ministry - I find it rather scary (and proves he isn't as much of a follower of the bible as he claims). At one point, for the question on why healing ministers have sick family members, his answer is that we should not judge ministries, as they are akin to the Word of God, which also should not be judged. Q & A
Wait and see how he dies, thats usually how we know.
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8th May 2009, 12:58 PM

Miracles are demonstrations to those who witness them....from my own experience I can validate that the person witnessing the miracle can differ from the one receiving the physical benefits of the miracle.


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8th May 2009, 01:18 PM

It is a plain fact that "faith healers," unlike medical healers, keep no records at all. Doctors and hospitals constantly followup on their patients and their outcomes. Every success and failure gets added to the overall knowledge base, and as a consequence more and more people are healed of more and more illnesses, and the average life span of humans increases. This has been going on since the beginning of mankind.

But even more to the point, modern medicine doesn't treat people who aren't ill (quacks aside). Tests are done to find out what the underlying reasons for any complaint might be. These tests are confirmed, treatment proposed, accepted and administered, and then results carefully recorded, examined and added to the store of knowledge.

With faith healers, no up-front examination is done, so it is never even known whether there is an organic illness present, or possibly only a psychosomatic one. Cures are "effected" quickly, on the spot, and after some joyous clapping and brief testimonials ("I'm healed"), the "patient" is led off -- never to be heard from again. No followup ever determines if this person -- assuming they were ever really ill -- has gone on to be healthy or had a relapes or was simply never cured at all.

Independent followup studies are very occasionally done, but the results don't hold up faith healing at all. Beginning in 1967, Dr. William A. Nolen conducted a case study of 23 people claimed to have been cured by Katherine Kuhlman. His long-term follow-ups concluded there were no cures in any of those cases. In one rather tragic instance, a woman was told by Kuhlman that she had cured of spinal cancer. She threw away her brace and ran across the stage at Kuhlman's command. The next day, her spine collapsed and she died four months later, according to Dr. Nolen.

It is a tragic thing that people who are faced with the great terrors that life is sometimes prone to are also at their weakest when confronted with the promises of these charlatans.

I cannot say with absolute certainty that such cures are impossible. But I will continue to return to my central theme in such matters -- as long as nobody actually does the requisite investigation into:
  • the symptomology of the patients
  • the underlying causes leading to the symptoms
  • the immediate effect of the "cure" on both the symptoms and the underlying causes
  • long-term follow-up
I will not believe. These are things that every geniune medical worker and researcher in the world does as a simple matter of course. That so-called faith-healers do not speaks volumes to me. It says, you'll pardon my saying so, that they couldn't stand up to the scrutiny.


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8th May 2009, 01:25 PM

If my findings lead to just one healing...I have done good : )

I need no proof nor understanding.....is healing not the goal? What does an ill person have to loose? Why not try everything possible to save a life?

I am for working closely with doctors (they can keep the records LOL)


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What does an ill person have to loose?
In the case of the example from EH above, possibly their life.
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8th May 2009, 01:56 PM

Do doctors heal every patient? Are all illnesses curable? As long as the answer is no to any of these questions, we have to look for alternative ways.... not to supplement traditional ways but to co-exist with traditional ways.

I am sure that in the future we will see more and more alternative methods "pop up" in hospitals and doctor offices. The physical appearance of something is just one part of the whole.


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Do doctors heal every patient? Are all illnesses curable? As long as the answer is no to any of these questions, we have to look for alternative ways.... not to supplement traditional ways but to co-exist with traditional ways.

I am sure that in the future we will see more and more alternative methods "pop up" in hospitals and doctor offices. The physical appearance of something is just one part of the whole.
I have no problem with alternative healing. In fact, the only "medicine" I ever use for myself is Chiropractic, Acupuncture and Ayurvedic.

I think this Blake fellow is different. He is claiming that he can bring dead people back to life, no matter how long they've been dead (as long as the requisite "faith" is there). He is unwilling to verify his "healings" and when asked for proof, he states that if one needs proof then they don't have faith and it wouldn't work anyway so there is no need to prove anything to them. He sells his healing courses online so others can heal people, and I believe he is a scammer trying to sell tickets to his live trainings and his course books and mp3s on how to do faith healing. In my opinion, he is the lowest of the low, preying on people's hopes and fears.
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Do doctors heal every patient?
Not at all. But they heal them literally millions of times more often than faith healers.
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Are all illnesses curable?
No, they are not. But in many, perhaps most cases, the outcomes can be improved, the quality of life bettered, the final experience eased. AIDS is still incurable, but in North America, the rate of death has dropped to near nothing. People who long ago expected to die are still with us, living productive and happy lives, even though they carry within their bodies an essentially fatal virus. Prayer hasn't kept a single AIDS patient alive. Drug cocktails developed by medicine are doing that on a daily basis.
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As long as the answer is no to any of these questions, we have to look for alternative ways.... not to supplement traditional ways but to co-exist with traditional ways.
If you are truly "looking" for alternative ways, the only way to actually know if you've found them is to do the proper study and followup. The problem with the lack of anything like that, as I mentioned above, is simply the very logically incorrect assumption of "post hoc, ergo propter hoc." He got better after being prayed for, therefore it must be because he got prayed for. If this is not true, then we leave ourselves open to the danger that the next person may place more faith in this alternative than it merits, and thereby put his very life at risk.
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I am sure that in the future we will see more and more alternative methods "pop up" in hospitals and doctor offices. The physical appearance of something is just one part of the whole.
You may very well be correct -- and I hope you are, believe it or not!! But here is one iron-clad guarantee for you: no alternative method will "pop up" in any hospital or authentic medical doctor's office until the appropriate tests have been done on their efficacy and any potential side-effects.

I don't see for the life of me why, if they are legitimate, any faith healer would not sincerely wish to have his methods studied. So if they resist such study, then I conclude that they are not legitimate.


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8th May 2009, 02:34 PM

I am not here to judge anyone and if but one person actually heals from his "tools" it is a blessing.

It is the belief in something that creates the experience of it. It is written that Jesus brought back the dead....I have not formed a firm belief in that possiblity...but I have also not excluded it. I really don't know how strong a belief can be/must be in order to experience that.

Maybe he is onto something and 1000 years from now noone will experience physical death???


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