A lot of times I'll be debating with a religious person and I'll notice that their reason for dismissing points is pure faith. A somewhat famous example is bringing up the fact that scientists found fossiles that are billions, not thousands, of years old. The hardcore Christian answer is "God planted those fossiles to test our faith."
Now, faith is one thing. I accept that nothing can be proven 100%, so we all have to have a little faith in anything we accept as a fact. But to believe in something so strongly that has NO evidence, then to continue believing in it when scientific evidence is saying you're wrong, it comes down to blind faith in every sense of the term.

Now, I'm a Satanist, so I don't think anyone is going to be punished for what they believe. However, if you're a person who does believe in judgement day, aren't you a little worried that God might be trying to tell you you're following the wrong religion and you're dismissing it because of faith? What if God wants us all to know that the earth is 4.5 billion years old, but you refuse to believe it? If you're a Christian, would God be able to give you any amount of signs that would convince you Islam is right? Do you ever worry that one day the messiah is going to come and you're going to dismiss him as the anti-Christ because you didn't listen when God sent you a sign saying Jesus never existed because this sign was in the form of a lack of historical sources?
This question isn't just for Christians, it's for anyone who goes by faith without evidence. What would it take for God or anyone to change your beliefs?

Maybe You will find the following interesting:

The Kurds

Some of the Kurds have the Yazidi religion. Unfortunately the Kurds belong to the most misunderstood people on earth, because they have the reputation of being devil worshippers. The Yazidi is a religion with ancient Indo-Iranian roots. Yazidis are primarily Kurdish speaking, and most live in the Mosul region of northern Iraq. There are traditional communities in Transcaucasia, Armenia, Turkey, and Syria, but these have declined since the 1990s, their members emigrating to Europe, especially to Germany.


Religious beliefs

In the Yazidi belief system, the world was created by a god, and the world is now in the care of a Heptad of seven Holy Beings, often known as Angels or heft sirr (the Seven Mysteries). Preeminent among these is Tawûsê Melek (frequently known as "Melek Tawus" in English publications), the Peacock Angel.

The reason for the Yazidis reputation of being devil worshippers is connected to the other name of Melek Taus, Shaytan, the same name the Koran has for Satan.

Furthermore, the Yazidi story regarding Tawûsê Melek's rise to favor with God is almost identical to the story of the jinn Iblis in Islam, except that Yazidis revere Tawûsê Melek for refusing to submit to Adam, while Muslims believe that Iblis' refusal to submit caused him to fall out of Grace with God, and to later become Satan himself.

Yazidis believe Tawûsê Melek is not a source of evil or wickedness. They consider him to be the leader of the archangels, not a fallen angel. They also hold that the source of evil is in the heart and spirit of humans themselves, not in Tawûsê Melek. The active forces in their religion are Tawûsê Melek and Sheik Adî.

The Kitêba Cilwe "Book of Illumination" which claims to be the words of Melek Taus, and which presumably represents Yazidi belief, states that he allocates responsibilities, blessings and misfortunes as he sees fit and that it is not for the race of Adam to question him.

Yazidi accounts of creation differ from that of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. They believe that God first created Tawûsê Melek from his own illumination (Ronahî ) and the other six archangels were created later. God ordered Tawûsê Melek not to bow to other beings. Then God created the other archangels and ordered them to bring him dust (Ax) from the Earth (Erd) and build the body of Adam. Then God gave life to Adam from his own breath and instructed all archangels to bow to Adam. The archangels obeyed except for Tawûsê Melek. In answer to God, Malek Taus replied, "How can I submit to another being! I am from your illumination while Adam is made of dust." Then God praised him and made him the leader of all angels and his deputy on the Earth. This likely furthers what some see as a connection to the Islamic Shaytan, as according to legend he too refused to bow to Adam at God's command, though in this case it is seen as being a sign of Shaytan's sinful pride. Hence the Yazidis believe that Tawûsê Melek is the representative of God on the face of the Earth, and comes down to the Earth on the first Wednesday of Nisan (April). Yazidis hold that God created Tawûsê Melek on this day, and celebrate it as New Year's day. Yazidis argue that the order to bow to Adam was only a test for Tawûsê Melek, since if God commands anything then it must happen. In other words, God could have made him submit to Adam, but gave Tawûsê Melek the choice as a test. They believe that their respect and praise for Tawûsê Melek is a way to acknowledge his majestic and sublime nature. This idea is called "Knowledge of the Sublime".

One of the key creation beliefs of Yazidism is that all Yazidis are descendants of Adam rather than Eve. Yazidis believe that good and evil both exist in the mind and spirit of human beings. It depends on the humans, themselves, as to which they choose. In this process, their devotion to Tawûsê Melek is essential, since it was he who was given the same choice between good and evil by God, and chose the good.

My words: There is no evil in Allah's creation and there never was. The angel Iblis was only doing his job. I would like to remind You on the following words:
It is said in another book, “Kitab Al-Fitan” by Abu `Abdullah Nu`aim bin Hammad, that Abu Hurayrah had two areas of knowledge he gained from the Prophet; one of them he imparted, while he hid the other. Abu Hurayrah commented on that saying that if he had imparted the other area of knowledge, he would have been slaughtered (and he pointed to his neck when saying so). The same hadith of Abu Hurayrah's "hidden knowledge" is also confirmed in Sahih Bukhari:


Narrated Abu Hurayrah:

"I have memorized two kinds of knowledge from Allah's Apostle . I have propagated one of them to you and if I propagated the second, then my pharynx (throat) would be cut (i.e. killed)."


The truth is that the saviour of mankind, who is called the Mahdi in islamic eschatology, Tawûsê Melek, is the reincarnation of the angel Iblis.

Hello Satancalls666...

Welcome to the Forum!

Interesting I think that you should mention the Return of Christ or Messiah:

"Do you ever worry that one day the messiah is going to come and you're going to dismiss him as the anti-Christ because you didn't listen when God sent you a sign saying Jesus never existed because this sign was in the form of a lack of historical sources?"

I didn't see the sign from God that "Jesus never existed".. I ask myself if Pilate existed and John the Baptist and maybe James the Just or Paul of Tarsus .. Why is it then that someone would believe Jesus "never existed"?

I do accept that a heavy layer of myths and deification has been applied to Jesus but even people who denied the claims about Jesus for the most part seem to accept He existed.

Looking at the Gospels themselves they seem to be multilayered..that is having various elements..some Aramaic words and of course translated Koine Greek but suggesting that there is some agreement among them of the sayings of Jesus this would suggest to me not a simple pious forgery as there are many elements accrued over time..

If one maintains the view that Jesus "never existed" then what evidence is there it was a "concocted" myth? Who made it up?

- Art

I think there is much of what could be considered evidence that most of the things surrounding jesus are a concocted myth. I do believe an enlightened man existed of whom they wrote, but that most of what the existing books of the Bible teach are primarily fictional or diluted (or outright altered) accounts.

The "evidence" to me is the incredibly overwhelming number of similarities to Horus and other "man-gods" (such as Krsna).

This page gives a wonderful highlight with side by side comparisons of the stories and attributes:
Jesus' and Horus' life events, etc.

Hi

The only way to truely know is to have the Expereince.
All religions and non Religions speak of how to have this Expereince

In Religions its called the Golden Rule.
In non Religions its just about being kind to each other and putting Unity before "stuff"

I didnt do the faith thing - I simply didnt know
I did expect to be shown

Having faith is just fine but all falls down when people take dogma for truth or convince themselves that belief or perception is to KNOW ......Usually this is identified by the fear that these people preach.....which is a sure sign that the foundation of the belief system is built on sand

Hi,

Nice to make you acquaintance here on the forum. I am a born again Christian who has no problem with the faith you call blind faith. The thing is to many it is blind, but when you become a child of God it is not blind anymore and doubt flies out of the window. You start to experience Him in your life, probably not like you would expect like some familiar spirit or manifestations, but rather in happiness and that void we have being fulfilled with the Holy Spirit. How is anyone suppose to give evidence which is unseen? I have noticed that before I gave my life to the Lord Jesus I struggled to defend myself against peer pressure, which when you are 14 is quite tough After my rebirth I seem to start to walk a different path and was not so affected by the world anymore, I had no desire to impress others by doing things I did not like.

Like our bodies this world as we know it is going to come and go, it is just a matter of time. Mankind is not that old and I believe we are here for a purpose, to see if we can love each other and worship the one and only God with faith, before we walk into the next phase which is eternity.

What I do wonder is, do people really think to be a Christian is such a horrible life, because we cannot have sex with anyone we want or speak a dirty language if we feel like it or kick someone in the stomach if he said something bad about you, drink too much alcohol or use drugs if we prefer.. etc. well I assume if there are any Christians like me they would agree that we would never want to live a different life and are so fortunate that we may know Him.

Jesus Christ our Lord came to set the captives free and demolish fear for death!

Agree with this.
One reason the synoptic gospels would agree so much in their accounts of Christ's words and actions is that none of the writers ever knew Christ and based their accounts on the same source (the "Q" gospel theory). No one ever seems curious that there are no first-hand accounts of this literal person's ministry or words. None of the 12 apostles left any record of his deeds and words. No Roman account of anything having to do with him. None of the 70 disciples left first-hand accounts. But there is an abundance of second-hand testimonies. Makes no sense if this was a literal person, makes a lot of sense if this was a contrived, allegorical story.
I think any who follow a man, whether he be a literal man or contrived character, misplace their attention, which would be better focused on the message. The message was clearly written by an enlightened master, and contains all one needs to find their way through the process of awakening. What is called for, is not a person to follow, but understanding of the Christ message. Given that, all else falls into place.

Hi satan [didn't think I'll ever smile at satan before ]

Your right concerning religions that contradict scientific facts, but did you know that Islam is in accordance with science?; the Quran dont say the earth is 6000 years old but is in accordance with science

And we have a hundred percent proof for our essential beliefs too, for they are based on the Quran and sayings of the Prophet Muhamamd [saw]

The Prophet Muhamamd [saw], as well as bringing the Quran for us which is miraculous [see below] not only in it's scientific miracles, but in the vast oceons of knowledge it is a gateway to and it's inimitibility [the Quran challenges anyone to produce a verse like the Quran if they can; everyone who has tried so far has failed], intonation and harmonious and uncontradictory message from start to finish, performed other miracles too [by the will of God] and these miracles had many witnesses; the Prophet Muhammad's [saw] life is well known, even by non-Muslims to be one of the most documented and preserved ever, thus as all of this proves that he indeed was a true messenger of God, and that the Quran is indeed a revelation from God, thus this proves to us beyond doubt that our beliefs are true

In addition to the above, when a person does not bellie the signs of God and what his own souls inclines towards as recognising as the truth, Allah [swt] instills faith in that person heart, whcih is litterally a light from God, via which a person can see the true nature of things, thus this light confirms to us beyond doubt the truth of Islam; thus 'faith' for Muslims means conviction in the manifest truth.


Miracles of the Qur'an - Modern Science Reveals New Miracles of the Qur'an

Embryology and human creation between Quran and science

YouTube - * [Holy] Quran : Top Scientists Comments on Scientific Miracles in the Quran * # Faith and Science #

hope this helps


Peace

The ancient Muslims definitely knew more about the earth than the Christians, but there are still mistakes in the Quran.

The Quran says that Allah created man from clay and mud. This contradicts the scientific fact that humans evolved from an ape-like species.

The Quran also says that the sun and moon run across the earth and settle in their resting places. This is also wrong, since we now know that the sun doesn't move, the earth does.

Dude, you can't use the Quran to prove the Quran. What sense does that make?

I checked out the sites below and they make some good point about ancient scientific knowledge the Arabs had. The reason I would say these points don't really help Islam's case is because scientific knowledge really wasn't restricted to the ancient Muslims. The Sumerians, Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans also had scientific knowledge that was later lost due to newer religions.
Now, if the Quran was 100% accurate in ALL of science, that would really get me thinking that it could be the word of God. But like I said before, there are in fact scientific errors in Islam, like the creation of man and the sun moving.

Muhammad probably was a real person, but just because his life is documented, doesn't mean he was a messenger of God. The only source that says that is the Quran and, like I said before, you can't use a book to prove itself.

So why doesn't Allah instill faith in my heart? I'd be willing to worship any god that showed himself to me, but none ever did.

Because the only writings we have of Jesus are of his birth and of the time leading up to his death. If he was a real person, why are there no writings of all that time in between?
Plus, it doesn't help that nearly all of the writings about him involve supernatural events. It seems like the only people writing about Jesus were people who already believed in him as the son of God.
And then, of course, there are the contradictions. The gospels of Mark and John don't mention the virgin birth. I find that really surprising. Virgin birth is a very important detail. Why did they leave that out? It seems like different people added to the story of Jesus.

Yeah, but honestly, that's because most people just don't take the time to examine his life. Most people also believe the Greek poet, Homer, existed. However, if you really look at his life and writings, it's way more likely that the Iliad and Odyssey were written by numerous people.

Most historians are at least skeptical of Jesus' existence as a man.

All that proves is that different peoples added to the mythology of Christianity. I'm sure you've heard about the similarities between Jesus and a number of Pagan gods, right? I think that shows that as the story of Christ travelled from land to land, people began adding to it.

I'd say the similarities to the Pagan gods, as well as the lack of info of Jesus' full life.

Random people, of course. All ancient people made up mythological stories. The Greeks did it, the Nordics did it, the Egyptians, Chinese, Amerindians, ect. Why should the Hebrews be any different?