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Taoism Being One With Nature - 23rd April 2006, 05:24 PM

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Being one with nature, the sage is in accord with the Tao.
What is the meaning of "being one with nature"?


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24th April 2006, 05:47 AM

When one looks at the Yin Yang Symbol, one sees the two sides... but the line right in between the two sides where neither exist. That is perfect balance, and perfect peace. That is ONEness with Tao.


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25th April 2006, 09:16 PM

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When one looks at the Yin Yang Symbol, one sees the two sides... but the line right in between the two sides where neither exist. That is perfect balance, and perfect peace. That is ONEness with Tao.
And what does that mean?


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26th April 2006, 02:05 AM

It means, nature is indifferent to opposites. Perfect peace is not "all good", it is a state where neither opposite exists. All is one.


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26th April 2006, 03:29 AM

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What is the meaning of "being one with nature"?
To me, being one with nature is to be able to feel and understand the nature side of all things, at all times. This is actually a shamanistic concept, and the roots can be traced back long before any organized religion...it is a spiritual concept rather than a religious one. Each of us has a natural nature, as well as one that is imposed on us by our society. Being one with nature means holding more credence in that natural nature than the one that is imposed upon us.
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26th April 2006, 12:45 PM

I understand it to be a more mystical association along the lines of the transcendentalists exemplified by Emerson. Being one with nature means seeing past the parts which are expressions of Spirit and identifying with the whole whose essence the parts are. This is most often described as "light". A "light" seems to emerge through all of nature until all there is is the "light". Here are some quotes from Emerson I used in an essay:

Nature

In his first chapter, Emerson lays out the distinction between Nature and NATURE. He remarks how most observe the former and then mistake it as the latter. The true experience of NATURE, however, does not require Nature. It (Nature) is simply an expression of Spirit (NATURE). NATURE, therefore, is not Nature, but rather Nature is expressed "through" NATURE. This is why the Deist says his belief in God is "through Nature" and not "of Nature", and why Jefferson distinguishes "of Nature's God" from "the Laws of Nature." Emerson then divides Nature into four classes.

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"To speak truly, few adult persons can see nature. Most persons do not see the sun. At least they have a very superficial seeing….Crossing a bare common, in snow puddles, at twilight, under a clouded sky, without having in my thoughts any occurrence of special good fortune, I have enjoyed a perfect exhilaration. I am glad to the brink of fear. ….Within these plantations of God, a decorum and sanctity reign, a perennial festival is dressed, and the guest sees not how he should tire of them in a thousand years. In the woods, we return to reason and faith. There I feel that nothing can befall me in life, - no disgrace, no calamity, which nature cannot repair. Standing on the bare ground, - all mean egotism vanishes. I become a transparent eyeball; I am nothing; I see all; the currents of Universal Being circulate through me; I am part and parcel of God."4
Commodity

Here Emerson lays out the benefits of Nature. He explains that it is the result of what has occurred and that all men are able to perceive it. It is what Paine called the only "true revelation" or "miracle" in the sense it could be witnessed by anyone. Emerson explains that it's (Nature's) purpose is ministry to man. It is there for man to experience and to use. It is from this great symbol (Nature) that man will gain his clues to the understanding or communing with God.

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"Nature, in its ministry to man, is not only the material, but also the process and the result. All the parts incessantly work into each other's hands for the profit of man."5
Beauty

The next function of Nature is to give some idea as to the essence of "Beauty". He says it accomplishes this by 1.) The simple delights in perceptions of natural forms, 2.) the presence of a higher, namely, of the spiritual element essential to its perfection, and 3.) how it is viewed as it becomes an object of the intellect.

The first is the lowest type of "seeing". It is our empirical "refresher." When the monotony of work or the city life has become too much, many find a rejuvenating quality in watching the sunset, the clouds, or the birds. The problem with this sort of "seeing" is that it is temporal, it will pass, and one day, it may not be there at all.

Reflecting on this, we proceed to a higher type of "seeing" or comprehending. We marvel not just at the physical objects, but also at the complexity and natural balance, or symmetry, behind the outward manifestations. Many complex things constantly changing form that give the impression of seamless cohesion, of unity. It is in this type of seeing we begin to identify beyond just "ourselves" and feel the connection one has with all of creation embodied in the Soul:

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"We see the world piece by piece, as the sun, the moon, the animal, the tree; but the whole, of which these are shining parts, is the soul [the Over-Soul, the World-Soul]….And this deep power in which we exist and whose beatitude is all accessible to us, is not only self-sufficing and perfect in every hour, but the act of seeing and the thing seen, the seer and the spectacle, the subject and the object, are one."6
That is the beginning of the third type of "seeing." If we continue this contemplative mood, we may reach a point where we are no longer just perceiving, but part of the perceived. A "transparent eye" as he describes it, where we seem to exist only in "thought." We recognize that all we are "seeing" in the first two types are only interpretations by the Intellect itself. When we realize that our "awareness" finds its closest source in Intellect, we see more clearly that the answers to the question of who am "I", are not to be found by looking more at the "about", but by looking more at the "within."

Language

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"Language is a third use which Nature subserves to man. Nature is the vehicle of thought, and in a simple, double, and threefold degree. 1.) Words are signs of material facts. 2.) Particular natural facts are symbols of particular spiritual facts, and 3.) Nature is the symbol of spirit."7
What are words? Their only purpose is to relay concepts and emotions that are "experienced" by someone to someone else's "experience". They are therefore symbols. What do we have to relate symbols to but Nature? We identify "strait" with "right" and "twisted" with "wrong". We identify "thought" with the "head" and "emotion" with the "heart." But this is certainly not the same as saying a strait stick is right and a twisted stick is wrong or that the heart is emotion and the head is thought.

Instead, we proceed by relating these words into meanings. We use natural facts to help relay these spiritual or internal feelings and emotions.

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"An enraged man is a lion, a cunning man is a fox, a firm man is a rock, and a learned man is a torch. A lamb is innocence; a snake is subtle spite; flowers express to us delicate affections. Light and darkness are our familiar expressions for knowledge and ignorance; and heat for love. Visible distances behind and before us, is respectively our image of memory and hope."8
But for some reason we expect to gain greater insights by dissecting the symbols, or Nature, than probing the source of the true meanings behind them, or NATURE.

Because one cannot experience another's experience, how to relate a path to higher understanding is most easily accomplished by using Nature as the symbol of spirit. Thus we have parables, proverbs, fables, and allegories. The problem with these vehicles is that they have the dangerous quality of being worshipped themselves as opposed to helping one understand oneself. This is the basis of mythic or revealed religions. They have tried to make the allegories historical. This is why one can arbitrarily find a "truth" and an absurdity" in the same passage. The "truth" is in attempting to understand the allegory; the "absurdity" is making it historical, and thus authoritative. Why should "history" be our authority? Was "virtue," "love," and "courage" worn out by history or historical figures? How could our hope for what "is" or "is to be" only be found in the past? Emerson asks:

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"All that Adam had, all that Caesar could, you have and can do."9
The soul that animated them is the same soul that runs through you. Would you bow to these people when it would be, in essence, bowing to your own soul? The soul animates you for your present existence, not the past's.

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"If therefore a man claims to know and speak of God and carries you backward to the phraseology of some old mouldered nation in another country, in another world, believe him not. Is the acorn better than the oak which is the fullness and completion? Whence then this worship of the past? The centuries are conspirators against the sanity and authority of the Soul. Time and space are but physiological colors which the eye makes, but the soul is light: where it is, is day; where it was, is night; and history is an impertinence and an injury if it be anything more than a cheerful apologue or parable of my being and becoming."10
Discipline

The last class of Nature is discipline. It is the education of the Understanding and the Reason.

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"The understanding adds, divides, combines, measures, and finds nutriment and room for the activity in this worthy scene. Meantime, Reason transforms all these lessons into its own world of thought, by perceiving the analogy that marries Matter and Mind."11
The first subset is what we now think of as "the sciences." It is the collection of data from the empirical world in order to better know its working and interactions. Knowledge of this sort helps to ensure a healthier and lengthier existence. It is important and fascinating in and of itself. But it does not disclose NATURE itself. For that we must go to the second subset.

NATURE is disclosed through a transcendental quality, not mere observation. The old adage, "If a tree fell in a forest with no one around, would it make a sound?" is the principle here. If the expression, (the physical reality), doesn't have a receptor (the senses) and a reflector (the mind), is it there at all? All sensation is touch. Sound waves touch the ear, light waves the eye, odors the nose, etc. But even these organs do not "interpret." They collect the messages, which is transferred to the brain, where it is organized and then interpreted by the mind. The mind makes sense out of the sensations, establishes patterns and continuity into unity. Why an appeal to unity? It is because unity is the fundamental nature of things. Or, to put it in contemporary terms, "Nature abhors a vacuum." We have the appearance of boundaries, but no thing is ever truly separate, there are only areas where things meet.

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"All goes to show that the soul in man is not an organ, but animates and exercises all the organs; is not a function, like the power of memory, of calculation, of comparison, but uses these as hands and feet; is not a faculty, but a light; is not the intellect or the will, but the master of the intellect and the will; is the background of our being, in which they lie, - an immensity not possessed and that cannot be possessed. From within or from behind, a light shines through us upon things and makes aware that we are nothing, but the light is all."12
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