If Muhammad (PBUH) could be collected to the present. - Page 2

Amergin · #11 (**permalink**) 8th October 2006, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Amergin

If Muhammad (PBUH) could be collected to the present, what do you think he would advise modern Muslims to do. If we had a time machine and could go back to 628 CE and offer Muhammad (PBUH) the opportunity to travel to the year 2006, and he agreed to do so, what would he do.

How would he deal with Muslims like Osama Bin Ladin, Ahmadinejad, Muhammad Karzi, the many Islamic doctors in our hospitals, our friend Farad1, the Saudi Royal Family, and to the average men and women who comprise almost 2 billion of the Earth's population?

Christians often ask me, "What would Jesus do?" So I would also like to know what Muhammad (PBUH) would SAY? To Muslims and those of us who are not.

Amergin

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Mohammed was inspired by Luciel ( not Gabriel ).

If Mohamed could get out of the situation he is in then certtainly he would not advise his mates to carry on in his errors but maybe he wouldn't care and be in heart an agent of Luciel wishing, hopeing, contriving and giving all his efforts to the ****ationation ot human beings.

I have never heard of Luciel. My ignorance perhaps. But I had read that it was Angel Gabriel who gave revelation to Muhammad (PBUH). Are you saying that Luciel is Lucifer? Calling a rival religion "satanic inspired" is an old propaganda gimmick. Catholics and Protestants have done that to each other for Centuries. Popes, Martin Luther, and Adolph Hitler accused the Jews of that. When I hear that kind of bollocks, I do not place much credence on the poster.

Amergin

Fahad1 · #12 (**permalink**) 5th May 2008, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Amergin

If Muhammad (PBUH) could be collected to the present, what do you think he would advise modern Muslims to do. If we had a time machine and could go back to 628 CE and offer Muhammad (PBUH) the opportunity to travel to the year 2006, and he agreed to do so, what would he do.

How would he deal with Muslims like Osama Bin Ladin, Ahmadinejad, Muhammad Karzi, the many Islamic doctors in our hospitals, our friend Farad1, the Saudi Royal Family, and to the average men and women who comprise almost 2 billion of the Earth's population?

Christians often ask me, "What would Jesus do?" So I would also like to know what Muhammad (PBUH) would SAY? To Muslims and those of us who are not.

Amergin

Its a nice question but you are actually questioning the intention of a person who doesnot exist anymore among people. But if you really are interested to know about what would have been his reaction to the present situation,then you should read the reports of the Hadiths(Prophetic traditions) of Muhammad(pbuh) in which described and informed about the future situation and the future muslims before the day of judgment.

He has even indirectly criticized muslims ,the coming of anti-christ who will take over this world and bring disaster to this world ,the people will change, and muslims will further divide into different sects.

In a hadith,it is mentioned that an anti-Christ will appear before the day of judgment and he will bring disaster to this world, he will call himself "GOD" and
many people will fall in his trap except those who have strong faith and belief in True God. The people with strong faith will understand him as "Anti-Christ" and will not follow his path.
It is also reported that he will cause shortage of food,water and other stuff and people will suffer from malnutrition, poverty will increase and he will say to the people "if you really want to survive then follow me and believe in me".

This is one of the tests from God, and this is what we see happening in this present world. The prices of Oil,food, gas and other important stuff is increasing ,unemployment an health issues are increasing .
Poverty is also rising and who is responsible for all this?

Is Religion responsible for all this?
The present economic system is responsible for all this which has taken over the world . The economic system of today is a hell for middle class especially for poor people and heaven for top class rich and influential people.

It deals in the uneven distribution of wealth in the world causing the minority to become rich and majority to become poor.

It is a trap and brings people into slavery and according to the interpretation of many experts, this is the indication of arrival of anti-christ.

Tonyamendola · #13 (**permalink**) 5th May 2008, 09:57 PM

Why dont you ask Jesus ?

Hes here right now

As promised

Fahad1 · #14 (**permalink**) 6th May 2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by fullyveiled muslimah

The prophet of Allah if he were to come to see the condition of specifically the muslims............
The vast majority of us would most likely be labeled as munafiqeen (hypocrites) not to mention being labeled as kafireen (disbelievers). I don't think all of us will fall into that category, but I fear that a majority of us muslims would. He would be extremely hurt and angry with us. I don't think he would be astonished or surprised by our condition because it is in the hadith about our present state. One main thing that he would be angry with us about is the cause of our plight as muslims. The cause is our undying love for the life of this world that has effectively blinded us from the concern of the life hereafter. When I say life of this world I mean that it has become more important to the muslims to satisfy our desires, than it is to obey Allah's commands. I think he would be greatly pained to find that all the struggle that he and his sahabah went throguh to ensure that Islam would survive past his death, has been thrown to the wayside by us.

For the non-muslims, such as yourself who are genuinely interested in the acquisition of knowledge, and seeking of the truth through the use of logic and rationale, he would be a great source of knowledge. He would not talk you to death, like we muslims do today, he would live how he is suggesting you to live. You would find help with him. You would find that he is only interested in the welfare of all mankind. One thing about the prophet is that he not only was interested in the muslims and their well-being, he was interested in the well-being of the entire mankind. He always begged Allah to guide each and every human being to the truth and a way that is straight, despite knowledge that not all people would follow that way.

He would not present a new set of laws but merely enforce the ones that are already established. A real muslim state would most likely be formed and there the non-muslims would see with their own eyes the treatment they would receive. Even his enemies would respect him even if they hated him. And indeed, if he were to come back here at this time, he would surely be targeted for assassination.

There is no comparison between us and him, Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was the last and final messenger of Allah(God) and we muslims no matter how much knowledge we have about Islam still cannot make pace with him.

It is not completely correct to say that he will be really annoyed and disappointed to see the present muslims because still there are many muslims who follow the teachings of Islam and are really practicing muslims.
The majority of the charities and donations in the world is payed by muslims and Islamic organizations. Still muslims have the strongest level of tolerance that you might not find in other nations and this is why you see muslims in Kashmir, Bosnia, Palestine and other parts of the world facing oppositions and persecuations since more than 50 years.
Muslims still have the concept of good and bad, they know the difference between sins and good deeds. This is why you see muslim communities in the West that are much closer to Islam then those living in Islamic Countries.

There are good and bad people in every community and it is a fact that black sheeps are in every community.

I am quiet sure that if Moses(pbuh) and Jesus(pbuh) would have arrived in our time,he would not be happy with Jews and Christians because each and every Spiritual and Religious Leader specially the Prophets and Messengers of God expect there followers to be obeying there teachings perfectly without leaving the inch of it.

I hope this helps,

Fahad1 · #15 (**permalink**) 6th May 2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Tonyamendola

Why dont you ask Jesus ?

Hes here right now

As promised

Jesus(pbuh) being the prominent Prophet of God didnot say anything new ,different or exciting, all the Prophets of God brought the same divine messege. Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) since was the last and the final messenger of God, this is why he mentioned many things about the situation before the day of judgment.

Jesus(pbuh) also predicted about a perticular time which was actually the time of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and he also said that a Messenger will come who will be the most beloved in the sight of God and he will be sent as a mercy for the entire mankind.

History testifies to the fact that no Prophet or Messenger came between the period of Prophet Jesus(pbuh) and Prophet Muhammad(pbuh),inspite there was a gap of around 5 or 6 centuries between them.

History testifies to the fact that the world situation at the birth time of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was in a worse situation in the entire history of mankind. There was no concept of elected leader and kingdom prevealed in
many parts of the world especially in Rome ,Iran and other places.

Middle East the land of Arabs was also not lagging behind, slavery, adultery,lawlessness and other crimes were common. There was no concept of relations, a son could marry his step mother after the death of his father and a man could marry as many women he like.

In pre-Islamic Arabia,when a girl use to be born, the whole family use to morn since the birth of a female baby was considered as something as a disaster from there gods.
They use to take there small female babies and bury them alive in the land.
There was no social values and law established in Arab region and Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) who was sent as a mercy from God ligthened the land with the divine messege of God and removed the darkness of ignorance that prevailed in that region. And that same region become the foundation for the Science,Mathematics and astronomy.

There was many ridiculous concepts at that time in Arabia. In Pre-Islamic Arabia, if any person use to fall in illness,it was considered as a magic spell and even in 18th century in Europe ,the same concept was common.

Another very famous superstitious concept that was common in Arab was that if a person riding on a camel and if a camel turned left it was considered as if that person is going to face trouble and have a bad luck and vice versa if the camel turned right.

Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) explained the baselessness of these concepts which had no logic and enlightened them with the messege of true God.

**angeleyes** · #16 (**permalink**) 7th May 2008, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Amergin

If Muhammad (PBUH) could be collected to the present, what do you think he would advise modern Muslims to do. If we had a time machine and could go back to 628 CE and offer Muhammad (PBUH) the opportunity to travel to the year 2006, and he agreed to do so, what would he do.

How would he deal with Muslims like Osama Bin Ladin, Ahmadinejad, Muhammad Karzi, the many Islamic doctors in our hospitals, our friend Farad1, the Saudi Royal Family, and to the average men and women who comprise almost 2 billion of the Earth's population?

Christians often ask me, "What would Jesus do?" So I would also like to know what Muhammad (PBUH) would SAY? To Muslims and those of us who are not.

Amergin

Though I'm not a Muslim, I would imagine Jesus, Mohammed and Buddha (as well as any number of prophets) would speak of one voice: forgive, and love one another. Different religions have different laws and different images, but they are all directed towards the same goal, that the "new" man embrace his divinity and become one with the Creator.

Fahad1 · #17 (**permalink**) 7th May 2008, 11:00 AM

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Understanding is the first step to real peace.

I very much appreciate the feedback from you and from Fahad (sorry about the misspelling.) It is welcome because I think that I (in Ireland) and the US, UK, are given a slanted view on Muslims by the media, and by outright government propaganda. I understand but do not condone average people being angry and descending to hatred of any people who ethnically resemble the 9-11 terrorists. The media and governments here promote that negative feeling. US movies have stopped using Germans, Russians, and Chinese as bad guys and more often the evil terrorist is portrayed as a Muslim or Arab. It is sad that we humans act that way.

I remember during the 1980s, when travelling in London or other parts of England, my Scottish accent was mistaken for Irish and I got searched and stripped twice because they assumed I could be Irish Republican Army (IRA.) The people who did 9-11 and 7-7 were called "Islamic Terrorists" but do you recall ever hearing Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols (Oklahoma City Bombing) called "Christian Terrorists". McVeigh did carry a Bible with him. Eric Rudolph blew up clinics, bars, and a mixed race crowd in Atlanta. He is a member of the Radical Christian Fundamentalist group, Christian Identity. Yet he was never called a "Christian Terrorist."

I know from past medical practice in East Africa and an emergency Medical Team in Banda Aceh, Indonesia after the Tsunami December 2004. I worked with thousands of Muslims as aid workers, and treated several thousand Muslim patients. I have also known many Christians, obviously, as doctors, nurses, researchers, and just average people at my home city of Inverness, my current residence in Donegal, and a year in Seattle, USA. People were people in all of those places Muslim or Christian. They were overwhelmingly good people. I hate to see what is happening because most Muslims are reacting with hatred of Christians and many Brits and Americans hate Muslims.

I only wish the US President and UK PM would abandon the stupid "never negotiate with the enemy" if you call them terrorists. What can they lose if Bush, Blair, Chirac, and Merkel would meet in a neutral place with Osama Bin Ladin, Ahmadinejad, Ayatollah Sadr, and the Sunni leader in Iraq? The talks may fail. But maybe they could arrive at a compromise. The West could agree to pull troops out of Muslim Countries if Osama and Ahmadinejad agree to end terror attacks.

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? I saw a telly programme featuring veterans of the Vietnam War (Americans and North Vietnamese/Viet Cong) meeting in Vietnam and tearfully embracing. US-Vietnamese relations were once fully based on hatred. Now today veteran old soldiers hug each other and shed tears. I predict that some day British and American veterans will have a reunion in Baghdad with veterans of the Mahdi Army, Al Qaeda, and Sunni insurgency. People of the Middle East need to exercise their self-determination not have a government designed by Westerners.

Amergin

Actually the main problem is that the Western Media is controlled by anti-muslim elements whose aim and objective is the promote Islam as a terrorist religion and US government takes advantage from this propoganda to achieve there goals but so far this same media is silent and doesnot answer the questions:

1)Who was responsible for world war1 and 2.
2)Who is responsible for bombing that took place in Pakistan and Saudia Arabia? If extremist muslims are terrorist then they should be bombing non-muslim countries. How come bombing is also taking place in Muslim Countries?
3)Who is responsible for the killing of people in Afghanistan,Iraq and Lebanon?

US government is after Iran and threatens it although Iran the country whose economy itself depends on there domestic trade since US government already placed sancuntions on the oil export of Iran. A country which doesnot have proper resources to develope nuclear power is threatened to be attacked by US government and puts an allegation on Iran that it wants to attack Isreal. Although Iran has just threatened Isreal and not taken any action yet and that threat was given by Iran because of massive level of attacks carried by Isreal on Lebanon.

But my question is that where was US government when Isreali forces bombed the south lebanon especially beurit?

**arthra** · #18 (**permalink**) 8th May 2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by angeleyes

Though I'm not a Muslim, I would imagine Jesus, Mohammed and Buddha (as well as any number of prophets) would speak of one voice: forgive, and love one another. Different religions have different laws and different images, but they are all directed towards the same goal, that the "new" man embrace his divinity and become one with the Creator.

I like that response and it goes along with the Baha'i view I think of the oneness of the Manifestations of God and that the religions of the world have a common Source.

- Art

Muhammed noufal c · #19 (**permalink**) 13th May 2008, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Amergin

If Muhammad (PBUH) could be collected to the present, what do you think he would advise modern Muslims to do. If we had a time machine and could go back to 628 CE and offer Muhammad (PBUH) the opportunity to travel to the year 2006, and he agreed to do so, what would he do.

How would he deal with Muslims like Osama Bin Ladin, Ahmadinejad, Muhammad Karzi, the many Islamic doctors in our hospitals, our friend Farad1, the Saudi Royal Family, and to the average men and women who comprise almost 2 billion of the Earth's population?

Christians often ask me, "What would Jesus do?" So I would also like to know what Muhammad (PBUH) would SAY? To Muslims and those of us who are not.

Amergin

Muhammad (PBUH) did not do anything in his own way.
The creator Allah knows the best way....
These people will not be a matter to Muhammed(pbuh) to him.Because Quran is the Imam(Leader) of muslims.Its applicable till the last day..........

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