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Is Jesus a Bastard? [Deuteronomy 23:2 KJV]
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Is Jesus a Bastard? [Deuteronomy 23:2 KJV] - 23rd January 2007, 05:25 PM

Is Jesus a Bastard? [Deut 23:2 KJV]

Jesus' mother, Mary, was not married to Joseph, when she became pregnant with Jesus. Joseph was not even the father, even though Mary and Joseph were engaged. The Holy Spirit impregnated Mary.

Doesn't this mean that Jesus was illegitimate, a bastard?

Examine the following.......
Deuteronomy 23:2 (King James Version)
2A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

If Jesus is a Bastard, doesn't that make him ineligible to be the Christ, or the Son of God?

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Butterfly 23rd January 2007, 06:30 PM

Yes in part of the definition of bastard but that is if he was sired by a different human father and they were unmarried, I would think. He was created by the Holy Spirit. On the earth, they speculate that Jesus was probably ostracized because there was talk of his illegitimacy. The Holy Spirit could not marry Mary unless he was man.


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23rd January 2007, 06:46 PM

Since this thread isn't in the Christianity section, i guess i can say the following.

No, Jesus Christ was not a bastard. Because a bastard by definition, well one of them anyway, is the son of a father and a mother who were not married. With that said Jesus Christ was clearly not a bastard because he has a mother but no father. He is Jesus the son of Mary , and only her.


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24th January 2007, 10:06 AM

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Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) -
bas·tard/ˈbæstərd/ Pronunciation Key - [bas-terd]
–noun
1. a person born of unmarried parents; an illegitimate child.

American Heritage Dictionary -
bas·tard (bās'tərd)
-n.
1. A child born out of wedlock.
2. Something that is of irregular, inferior, or dubious origin.
-adj.
1. Born of unwed parents; illegitimate.

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Bastard
-In Deut. 23:2, it occurs in the ordinary sense of illegitimate offspring.

il·le·git·i·mate (l-jt-mt)
-adj.
1. Against the law; illegal.
2. Born out of wedlock.
By definition he is.
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With that said Jesus Christ was clearly not a bastard because he has a mother but no father.
Then why is he always refered to as God's "only begotten son", or the just plainly, the "son of God"? How did Mary all of a sudden become pregnant with him? Spontaneous Generation?


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Cross 24th January 2007, 10:44 AM

Faith .

If The Blessed Virgin Mary did get pregnant while with Joseph while they shared each other as " defacto" husband and wife as other couples do
and Mary got pregnant with another man , why would she tell Joseph knowing the laws then ?
And if Mary did tell Joseph she was pregnant with another man's baby then why wouldn't they just pretend the baby was both of their's since they were keeping the baby anyways . Why would they fabricate such a story of the immaculate conception when not needed at all.

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Redbird 24th January 2007, 12:19 PM

==" belief is NOT the same as TRUTH "==
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"Truth" is something here , there and anywhere .

Knowing and seeing this Truth is not always , even though it is always there.

Some see it and some do not .

Those that do see "Truth " , believe .

Those that cannot see it have Faith .

Both have Truth whether they see it or not .

" Belief can be the same as Truth "

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Butterfly 24th January 2007, 01:02 PM

=== And if Mary did tell Joseph she was pregnant with another man's baby then why wouldn't they just pretend the baby was both of their's since they were keeping the baby anyways . Why would they fabricate such a story of the immaculate conception ===

Hi mooomoo lol ,

When l read the above , it makes me think of theories and l am not saying at all that this is true ,,,

Could this have happened ???
Joseph and Mary ,who was a virgin still , were drinking wine amd Mary got real drunk and passed out while kissing Joseph on the bed . Joseph, also drunk ,went into a love -fest type emotion as most men might after , well anyway , in his drunkeness and sincere love for Mary in all aspects ,Joseph ,with no resistance from Mary and with Joseph not even realising Mary is out cold he makes love to her , not rape , and he thought she was a willing partner , as they were both so drunk .

They both could not remember a thing the next day and POOF soon Mary is pregnant .

I read that somewhere and it is not my belief .

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People of their town supposed Jesus father was Joseph... Of course to Mary and Joseph the event of Jesus conception was very special and this is not unlike the conception of the Buddha or Krishna... A child's conception is always special.

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24th January 2007, 06:46 PM

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Then why is he always refered to as God's "only begotten son", or the just plainly, the "son of God"?
I said:

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Since this thread isn't in the Christianity section, i guess i can say the following.
What i meant to say is that i'm NOT gonna talk about Jesus according to Christianity, that's all


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Those that do see "Truth " , believe .
Those that have tested the truth by "scientific method" like means, know the truth.

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Both have Truth whether they see it or not .
Truth to the one who [I]knows [/I,]is absolute. Truth to the faithful, is relative.

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