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Old 15th April 2007, 05:41 AM
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Would No Religion Bring Happiness To Humans?

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For Feuerbach and Marx religion is seen as the projection of the human essence onto an ideal: God does not make man. Rather "God" is the invention of human consciousness. Marx also sees that religion is part of an ideological view that encourages the oppressed to accept their fate. As he says: "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the sentiment of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

"The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of men, is a demand for their real happiness. The call to abandon their illusions about their condition is a call to abandon a condition which requires illusions."
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Old 15th April 2007, 11:43 AM
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Happiness starts with me. If I cannot find enough moments to make me happy that is my fault not anyone else's. No one should rely on any individual, group or organization for their happiness. What an individual wil eventually find out in life is that the moments spent alone far exceed the moments one spends with others. It is improtant that one understand how to love themselves and discover what exactly makes them happy because one will find many moments in which they will have to entertain themselves.
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I think as humans we have a need to find a reason for everything. Some things we find reason for in logic and others there doesn't seem to be a logical explanation for. This is where religion steps in, it gives a reason for things when we can't logically find it ourselves. I don't think that religion make people happy or unhappy, except when it is weilded as a weapon.
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For some, religion has brought deeper meaning and happiness to their lives.
For others it has brought misery and confusion.
Personally I think you get out of it according to what you put in as with everything else in life. If you are getting value out of your religion and are growing into a better person as a result then who can question it? And why should some control freak try to take it away.
Through reasoned debate and discussion with open mind people may adopt different beliefs and that is the path which seems less traveled, but is the better path by far.
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" As he says: "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the sentiment of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. "
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He is right in one way of seeing his words, and something very valid which he did not know about ,as seen in his words , he did not say.

To look up in the sky and believe it is there yet without any real sense to it all is like believing in God .

The heartless expression of his words shows that he did not know anymore than any human knows and for every heartless and doomed statement he suggests l can give 100 more of great glorius reasons why we are not heartless and hurt . The 'opium of the people' is for a valid reason and only those who's purity of intentions in seeking the truth will find God and even if you do not believe in God you may still be a messenger for God as everything you say , those who do not believe in God , everytime you speak of " no God" one more person after hearing your words will convert to believing by your words of dis-belief .
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simple question

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What are your thoughts?

If God is the creation of a human conciousness ,than ask him who is the creator of human beings? Who has created this entire organized and systematic Universe which is flawless?

If God is the creation of a human beings and doesnot have any existance ,than from where did these religious scriptures come from?

If God is the creation of human beings than you must admit that what ever you see from your eyes like train, car and bus are the creation of human brain since what we actually see according to science is the image of the things that are formed in our brain not the original thing.

When we see a thing from our eyes, the reflected light striking the retina of the eye sends natural electric signals to the brain forming an inverted image of that thing.

This is how camera was created.

I hope my messege is clear

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A question for Marx,

Does the matter really exist or it is simply a deception?
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If God is the creation of a human conciousness ,than ask him who is the creator of human beings? Who has created this entire organized and systematic Universe which is flawless?
Flawless? Rampant death, disease, pain, sorrow, suffering is "flawless?" Boy, I'd hate to see a "flawed" universe!
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If God is the creation of a human beings and doesnot have any existance ,than from where did these religious scriptures come from?
They were written by men. Just like Harry Potter (oh, wait, that was a woman!), and the Odyssey and the Iliad (oh wait, Homer was probably a woman, too!)
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If God is the creation of human beings than you must admit that what ever you see from your eyes like train, car and bus are the creation of human brain since what we actually see according to science is the image of the things that are formed in our brain not the original thing.
That is true. We form a brain-generated perception of reality. What that reality might "actually be" is an open question. What is not open is that there is a reality, and that we perceive it, and that we form our own conceptions of it.
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When we see a thing from our eyes, the reflected light striking the retina of the eye sends natural electric signals to the brain forming an inverted image of that thing.

This is how camera was created.

I hope my messege is clear.
Quite clear. Man created the camera, not God.
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If God is the creation of a human conciousness ,than ask him who is the creator of human beings? Who has created this entire organized and systematic Universe which is flawless?
Flawless? Rampant death, disease, pain, sorrow, suffering is "flawless?" Boy, I'd hate to see a "flawed" universe!
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If God is the creation of a human beings and doesnot have any existance ,than from where did these religious scriptures come from?
They were written by men. Just like Harry Potter (oh, wait, that was a woman!), and the Odyssey and the Iliad (oh wait, Homer was probably a woman, too!)
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If God is the creation of human beings than you must admit that what ever you see from your eyes like train, car and bus are the creation of human brain since what we actually see according to science is the image of the things that are formed in our brain not the original thing.
That is true. We form a brain-generated perception of reality. What that reality might "actually be" is an open question. What is not open is that there is a reality, and that we perceive it, and that we form our own conceptions of it.
Quote:
When we see a thing from our eyes, the reflected light striking the retina of the eye sends natural electric signals to the brain forming an inverted image of that thing.

This is how camera was created.

I hope my messege is clear.
Quite clear. Man created the camera, not God.
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