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Old 27th April 2007, 06:57 PM
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Existance of Knowledge

Does anybody know the origin of knowledge, how did knowledge come into existance 1st and who brought it?
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It seems all life is on some kind of goal . Reaching an end yet not knowing that to reach their goals is a devistating comprehension of reaching the end .
In the Bible the origin of knowledge was sort of in the same category as expression of thought. Adam then Eve created and then life as God created it however God created us to be independent of our own fate sort of allowing us to choreograph our own fate in a chance format with a goal .

Before words were created by Man we had a communication of thought already active by God and all words followed in the concept that those words were our thought being "thought' first and then the thought travels to a transition of thought to seeable words in our thought to actual words which in this transportation of thought system the thought transitions into verbal words .
Knowledge is a pre thought which in the transportation of thought process gets changed from pre-thought reality to verbal words and the thought has usually changed in the transportation system of your thought .

As soon as Adam and Eve rejected God's plans for them Adam and Eve no longer held the " Book of LIfe" and had to create their own Book and this was done by knowledge and Faith and the new invention of thought being transitioned into verbal words to be an expression of our knowledge in application .
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Cross Knowledge, For Me, Comes From God;

God is the one who brings Knowledge. Like in the beginning He talked with adam as one whould a friend. He tought Adam about anything Adam wanted to know. Then throught the ages, He picked out people whom He would share the knowledge of Himself as well as other things. He gave man a wonderful brain that is able to learn as long as it wishes to learn and doesn't give up on learning.

I can answer it in the only way I know how. I am not smart enought to answer your question in an educated way, and I'm not a historian.


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Knowledge existed even prior to the creation of this world when Allah(swt)
answered the questions of the angels who were not happy with the creation of Adam(pbuh). When God was creating Adam(pbuh), the angels asked why are you creating such a thing who is going to be a source of pain in the future. God replied by saying "I know what you know not".
After God created Adam(pbuh) He taught him names of some of the things and then asked the angels about their names but they failed to answer, then God asked Adam(pbuh) to tell the names of those things,when Adam(pbuh) told their names , God replied to the angels :" Didnot I tell you ,you know nothing that i know ".

The knowledge continued to flow from Adam(pbuh) to all his desendants.
Look at the Egypt 4000 years ago ,when symbols were used to represent numbers and how they constructed those pryamids and structures without the help of machineries and advance tools.
At that time the newly invented knowledge was "magic" which became very popular and parents use to send their children to study this knowledge and the King of Egypt was also impressed with this knowledge.

The Greeces were champions of poetry, literature and philosophy .


God mentions in the Qur'an that (I am writing this in my own words) "Don't you know that their existed nations before you that were far superior than you in knowledge?"

God sent angel Gabreal in human form to a place which is now known as Greece or Italy. God told the angel to ask these questions with a kid playing in that region , "Where is angel Gabrial"?
The angel Gabreal after arriving at that kid asked him "Do you know where is angel Gabreal"?
The kid did some calculations in the mud, and said "He is not available in the space,than again he did calculation and said "He is not available in this earths atmosphere"
He again did calculation and said "He is somewhere in this world ".

He did another calculation and said that "He is among some of the people standing with you.

The angel Gabreal returned to God ,and God asked him "Didnot I tell you?"
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Before this incident, what happened was that God was deciding to distroy the nation, and angel Gabrail asked Him "God, why do you want to distroy them"?

Than God ordered him to go to the kid playing in the mud in human form and ask him the question.

What is the messege of this story is that nation became so intelligent and advance that they were even able to know the location of angels.

So God ordered the angels to distroy this nation because they became extraordinary which is out of limit.
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Hi .

You have said much in few words . The kid playing in the mud reminded me of how Lord Gamesh came about.---------------------

'''''"Before this incident, what happened was that God was deciding to distroy the nation, and angel Gabrail asked Him "God, why do you want to distroy them"?

Than God ordered him to go to the kid playing in the mud in human form and ask him the question.

What is the messege of this story is that nation became so intelligent and advance that they were even able to know the location of angels.

So God ordered the angels to distroy this nation because they became extraordinary which is out of limit."""""
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Interesting and l did not hear of that before now . As a regular Human l first wonder why would God want to destroy the world . And also what did Man know that allowed God to do what He did to them . God must have given a warning to them and they did not listen to God as reality .

Becoming "out of limit" surely was understood by God but perhaps not by Man and that is why God didn't eliminte us [all ] but instead allowed most of us to die and the rest of us to start over and allow God's plan to flourish in the Glory He had intended for us but again and again we fail to our Lord to lust Greed and Selfishness and ofcourse More .

But even more than that , there is another reason too that God presented Himself as He did and it is keeping us alive even today . When God said something like " I know what you not know" He wasn't kidding and He still knows what we do not know He knows , but through His warnings in our past we Humans never listen as today is also . We are slowly fading from God and over and over again He tells us in so many Human ways as a presentation of Him but as before and before we are messing up again as we demand to know why why why and will not settle for less.

But God knows as in past that we cannot know " as He knows" and we cannot comprehend why that is and if ,and when, we do know, we then totally do understand and get on our knees and say " I am sorry Lord " for doubting You .
We cannot know all the truth and it has to be this way and over and over in History we see God telling us the truth yet what we Humans do and believe is repeating as before and before as written and stated, and God knows .

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Before this incident, what happened was that God was deciding to distroy the nation, and angel Gabrail asked Him "God, why do you want to distroy them"?

Than God ordered him to go to the kid playing in the mud in human form and ask him the question.

What is the messege of this story is that nation became so intelligent and advance that they were even able to know the location of angels.

So God ordered the angels to distroy this nation because they became extraordinary which is out of limit.



And very interesting.
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[quote=Fahad1]Does anybody know the origin of knowledge, how did knowledge come into existance 1st and who brought it?[/QUOTE

Knowledge is dependent upon a cognitively functioning mind applying the faculty of Reason to reality. Presumably, whoever had the first cognitively functioning mind had the first knowledge when he applied his reasoning capabilities to reality.
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God is the one who brings Knowledge. Like in the beginning He talked with adam as one whould a friend. He tought Adam about anything Adam wanted to know.

Except about good and evil.
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Does anybody know the origin of knowledge, how did knowledge come into existance 1st and who brought it?

Fahad1;

The proof of God

The divine knowledge alone can be the proof of the God as per Veda. The exceptional quality of the divine knowledge (Prajnanam) is the spontaneous proof. You can experience the available highest quality of the knowledge and there is no need of any testing procedure for that. How are you selecting the Miss. World? You are experiencing the spontaneous beauty directly and there is no need of instruments to test the beauty. You are selecting the top most beauty in the available competition. If you say that some higher beauty may exist somewhere and some time in this world, the result of the competition can never be declared.

Only ugly sadists may tell like that. Gita says that the possessor of such top most knowledge that can give the most perfect guidance to the souls is God Himself (Jnanitvatmaiva…). The importance of Divine knowledge is only due to the importance of correct guidance in the spiritual path. For this the exhibition of miracle is not required. The exhibition of super power through the miracle is needed only for the low level atheists and to punish the low level devils. When a Police Officer is invited to address the college, he goes in normal civil dress. When he has to deal with criminals, he will be in the Police uniform. Even there, he will send his subordinates in the uniform to deal with the criminals. But he will not send his subordinates in uniform to address the college.

Similarly God comes to preach the Divine knowledge and sends His subordinates to exhibit miracles. Since majority is in the lower strata, the miracles have to be exhibited widely. Hence God gives the Super powers even to devils. The miracles include even the miraculous experiences in the life of any one, which prove the existence of unimaginable God.

Miracles and knowledge are the two requirements of people here in lower and higher levels respectively. Generally God meets directly the requirement of higher level. The liberated souls who are the servants of God generally meet the requirement of lower level.
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