Essence Of Jesus Preaching --- Real Saving

Merely by accepting the human incarnation (Jesus) as Saviour cannot save you. It is told in the Bible that He came to save His people. Who are His people? They are His beloved devotees. They follow His instructions. Jesus did not give attention even to see His mother, when He was with His disciples. When a woman shouted that the Mother of Jesus was blessed, Jesus did not agree and told that blessed are those who followed His instructions. He says that one should leave parents, wife or husband, children and must be prepared even to carry on his own cross for the sake of Jesus. This means that one should be prepared to sacrifice even his life. Therefore, it is a narrow path with thorns. Even to hear this statement your mind is turmoiled with chaotic disturbance. That is the reason why He says that He has not come to give peace to you and that He is holding the sword of knowledge in His hand. Therefore, you can be saved only when you reach that state.

If you say to the Judge that you accept him as your saviour, will he save you and cancel his judgement? If you say to the jailor that you will accept him as your saviour, will he relieve you from the jail? Therefore, He saves only His dearest devotees. He underwent the suffering of His people only on the Cross. He did not suffer for the sake of all the people and released all the people from their sins. If such thing is done the justice is destroyed. The administration becomes meaningless. When a devotee leaves everybody and everything for the sake of such human incarnation and participates in His service, such people are called as His people. Such devotees will never agree for the crucification of the Lord for their sake. Therefore, real saving is only at that stage.

Whether, it is Christianity or Hinduism the beginner cannot come forward if the final stage is shown. In Hinduism the saints and in Christianity, the Popes, fathers, brother and sisters who are dedicated to the Mission have left everything and everybody for the sake of God. Actually such Holy saints only can be saved since they stand according to His standards prescribed. But if this fact is revealed no common man will come forward. It is the tradition of the divine preacher to show the final result even in the first step. We say to the schoolboy that if he goes to the school regularly and studies sincerely, he will become the professor.

It is only encouragement. Does that mean that the boy will be appointed as professor as soon as he finishes the schooling? He gets encouraged and studies well in the school. Then he will go to college and university and study further and then he will join as a lecturer, become reader and then finally become the professor. Therefore, to attract the beginners such encouraging statements are made, which need not be condemned as lies. When a lie does well, such a lie cannot be the sin. Even if it is truth, if it harms it is a sin. We tell so many lies to our children to encourage them and our aim is only their welfare and not cheating them. Therefore, such statements should be accepted with reference to the level of the devotees.

I know what you mean. There is a kinda problem I have though. Who are those people whom Jesus told He never knew them, when they cast out deamons in His name, and healed people in His name? Who are those? I haven't never really been able to figure that out. I personally have always thought that if you truely love Jesus you will want to do His will, weather or not you drop everything in your life and totally go and follow after Him or not. If you really love Him then your His child. You will always be trying to please Him, and even though sometimes you may fail, He will help you back up. Like a good parent. He will not condemn you just because your not perfect. God knows everyones hearts and He knows the heart that are truely on Him.

dattaswami ,

" Therefore, He saves only His dearest devotees. He underwent the suffering of His people only on the Cross. He did not suffer for the sake of all the people and released all the people from their sins. If such thing is done the justice is destroyed."

How do you know , with all due respect, how do you {you personally} know
Jesus died for only the "alive now" followers and not that Jesus did not only die for every living thing but also for every living thing to continue after death .

You say Jesus cannot do that as l assume you feel Jesus was a Prophet only, and not the Son of God .

Jesus are as you and me and the flowers etc are an expression of God as God is us as God sees Himself but the people look up to Jesus because of Jesus's Healings and more and because of what Jesus said also . Jesus had Power not seen in Humans then and even now , and Jesus had to live with this trying to Heal and it working every time and finally the Goverment made Jesus tell them how the Healings were done and that is when God finally connected with Jesus and God told Jesus that He could not tell how the Healings are done and Jesus knew why once God told Him and if Jesus did not follow the correct path God would kill Him , but Jesus knew once He was told the Truth , He had to die and to this day it is not known but seen in all of our behaviour .

" not come to give peace to you and that He is holding the sword of knowledge in His hand. Therefore, you can be saved only when you reach that state.
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I didn't know He said that but l do Know why .

What state is that ? you may ask or you may not ask lol . For those who asked l commend you and to those who did not ask ,,get out lol .

But seriously was it really Kansas ?

A lot happens in Kansas .

Oh my .

The Sword of Knowledge , ouch .

Does it hurt when you get stabbed by the Sword of Knowledge ?

Anyway be happy and enjoy each and every , well enjoy a lot lol as your life is so precious and fragile and each instant is a gift . Love yourself as you are an entity controlling one of the most amazing and complicated realities here on Earth and that being your own self .

Hi dattaswami - The way I understand it, Jesus said to follow HIM. There may be some people who feel that means to follow his instructions, or specific behaviors. And it seems Jesus did tell certain people to "sell all you have" or "go and sin no more." But most of the time he talked about the inner life, oneness, and being born of the spirit. I think when he told people to follow him, he was saying "I am who you are/will become." He also knew we create our own reality and that is why he asks us to believe in Him. I agree it has nothing to do with salvation. I think we're all eternal, but without belief, we will continue to experience ourselves as separate from each other and God. Unfortunately, Christianity often talks about belief as a way of buying our salvation, but continues to see oneness with God as blasphemy (the very reason Jesus was killed). But maybe, eventually, the church will "get it." Hope so!

ShyLady;

Luke—14:26 to 27

“If any one comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple’’.

The knowledge is compared to a sword. Bhagavatgita says “Chhitva Jnanasinatmanah”. This means that the ignorance should be cut by the knowledge, which is like a sword. The bonds with wife or husband and children are due to ignorance. Such bonds should break when the Lord in human form competes with them to conduct His test. Lord comes in human form in every human generation to preach and give His direct presence. If the Lord comes in only one human generation, God becomes partial to that human generation because other human generations are not blessed with such opportunity. To see, to touch, to talk and to live with the human incarnation, He comes down as per the prayers of the devotees. The Lord comes to preach and so He will not enter the statues or animals or birds. Veda says “Na tasya pratima asti’’ which means that God will not enter the inert statues.

Gita says “Manusheem tanu masritam” which means that God enters the human body only because the main purpose is to preach the human beings. Gita strongly says that he who worships the inert statues will be born as an inert stone (“Bhootani yanti”). The Christians should be commended on this point who are worshipping the Holy Jesus only, who is the most powerful human incarnation of God. Veda says “Na tat samah” which means that nobody and nothing should be equal to the Lord in human incarnation. One should leave everything and everybody for the sake of the Lord in human form. Only the bond with a new human being can break the bond with the human beings. Such new human being must be very powerful who can be only God in human form.

A new bond existing with formless God or statues cannot break the human bonds. Only the bond with another living being can cut the bond with the living beings. The bond with formless God is impossible. The bond with inert statue has no use. The above statements of Holy Jesus indicate that one should cut the bonds with his family and with the wealth. In Hindu religion also it is said that God (Datta) cuts all the bonds of family and wealth (“Dattam Chinnam”). Even the bond with the body should be cut for the sake of the God. Gita says the same thing as “Mat Gata Pranah”. Holy Jesus says that one has to carry his own cross (death) for the sake of the Lord. This means that one has to invite his own death with his own hands for the sake of God. Holy Jesus did like this as an ideal example for others. This means that you have to cut your bonds not only with your family and wealth but also with your life if necessary.

Hanuman, a top devotee, tore his heart with his own nails for the sake of the Lord and was blessed by the Lord to be immortal. So when the devotee sacrifices his life, his life gets protected forever. The essence of this gospel is that the love is proved only by the practical sacrifice. Veda says “Dhanena Tyage nyke…” which means that sacrifice of money proves the real love.

Money is the fruit of the work. So money is another form of work. If it is inconvenient to sacrifice the money, atleast they should sacrifice the other form of money, which is work for the sake of God. Depending on the money all the family members are attached to you. If money is not there all the family will leave you. You are also giving the money to your family only. Therefore if the bond with money is cut and if the money is sacrificed to God, the family bonds are considered as vanished, even though the family exists externally. The work of God in human form is the propagation of His divine gospel. For doing such divine work the family also stands as an obstacle because most of your energy is diverted for the family only. Therefore you do not have any energy to work for the sake of Lord.

Hence Holy Jesus wants His disciples to leave their families for the sake of God. The propagation work needs both money and work. Generally every body works to maintain his family. In the name of maintenance, several luxuries are introduced, which look like essential needs and thus there is no end for your work to earn the money for the sake of your body and your family. Your blindness increases and you will be putting more and more efforts to work and earn money for the sake of the family bonds. In such a case you can never even see the human form of God. At least you should remove your blindness by the divine knowledge if not the actual bonds. People of very high devotion only can cut the actual bonds. You are giving money to your family but you are giving words to God by prayers and you are giving mind to God through meditation.

You are giving love to your family through your work and money, you are calling the sacrifice of words and sacrifice of mind as love to God and you are fooling the God. Your real love is only with your family and not with the God. Holy Jesus tests your real love to God by these statements. The Christian Pope and fathers and the Hindu Acharya and saints left their families and concentrated completely on the work of God. Such pious souls can only be representatives of God in this world.

mooomooo;

Jesus died only for deserving devotees or His People.. Who are His people? His people means those who loved Him more than anything in this world-over family relations, or any other worldly relations. They are PRACTICALLY SACRIFICED everything for Him and His mission of divine knowledge propagation without any SELFISH DESIRE. Such people are His people.

Remember the verses of Lord

'Unless you hate your father mother, sister, son, daughter .... and your own life you cannot become My dearest disciple....'

Here Jesus is not promoting hatredness or enimity to other rather, He is measuring your real love to Him. You love your children without any selfishness. Even if they hurt you still you love them and care them and practically show your love by providing everything for them UNCONDITIONALLY. Such love is real because it is ONE SIDED and without any SELFISHNESS. Selfishness is the BAD ODOUR which Lord do not like. He wishes to have only ONE BOND WITH HIM. This is known as salvation. All your family bonds are temporary only, they can NEVER EVER be equal to Lord, who has come in Human form. Your real father is God not the earthly father. Your real relative is the God not the earthly relatives. Thus when Lord competes with your family relations you have to give Lord the first place. If you love them more than Lord you are not salvated. The verses i quoted above is only applicable when you are sincere and put effort to please Lord and Lord is available in Human form infront of you in this generation.

Lord is impartial He has to come in every human generation to preach and uplfit the human souls. He preaches to all alike including atheist so that He is not blamed in the upper world for not preaching.

Thus remember that the main aim of your life is to love and please Lord without any expecatation and it should be proved in practise not theoretically.

Unless you reach that state you are not saved.

mooomooo;

First you must understand the meaning of salvation;

Real Liberation & Salvation

This physical world, which consists of the inert objects like Sun, Moon, Stars
Air, Earth etc., is not the world, which is binding you and this is not
The world from which you have to attain the liberation or salvation
If you get salvation from this physical world it is called the death

Death is not the salvation since even after death you are bound by the bonds
The bonds are not with the physical world but they are with your family members
It is this family that constitutes your entire world from which you must be salvated

The physical world is real and it is unreal for the creator only and not for you
You are a part and parcel of this world and if you say that this world is unreal
You too become unreal, your unreal world is your own family, which is created
By yourself only and why this is unreal?

If you analyse, these bonds did not exist
Before this birth and do not exist after this birth and hence are not existing
During this birth also, Sankara told that temporary is always unreal
Therefore, Gita emphasizes for the detachment from these worldly bonds

Jesus goes one step further and advises you even to hate these family bonds
This is surprising but if you analyse, I should say, He is absolutely correct
If you analyse deeply, these family members deserve your hatred and not love
The reason is that these family members were very vehement enemies to you
In the previous birth you stole their hard earned property and fought with them
Now they have come to collect their wealth from you along with the
Compound interest, they are in the form of wife and children and you are bound

To pay them according to the force of Karma Chakra i.e., associated with Kala Chakra
Payment of loans is Karma Chakra and payment in this birth is Kala Chakra
The same is said “Runanubandha Rupena Pasu Patni Sutalayaah”
The three strongest bonds are with money, wife and children and these three
Are called as “Eeshanaas”, which are the stainless steel chains, which never
Corrode, the secret in the force of these three bonds is only the force of Karma
The Karma is the payment of the loans with interest and for that you have to earn
Therefore, you are forced by Karma to earn the money and that is the spontaneous
Attraction to the money, the Karma is dragging you to earn the money so that
You can pay to your enemies who are surrounding you for the collection of loans

Thus these three bonds are inter related and amalgamated by the force of Karma
These enemies are in the mask of friendship and love with you and you do not
Remember your previous birth, which is again due to the force of karma only
If you remember the previous birth and that enmity you will not repay the loan
Therefore, by the force of Karma Chakra only you do not remember previous birth
These enemies can collect their money only under the mask of love and friendship

These enemies are collecting their money in the form of work and also money
The mother repays the loan by doing work like bathing and clothing the children
Such sacrifice of work by the mother is coming under Karma Sanyasa
The father repays the money by giving his hard earned property to the children
And this repayment of direct wealth comes under Karma Phala Tyaga.

But these enemies are not satisfied with simple repayment of their loans
If a thief steals your money and if you catch him will you leave him
Just by taking your money? You will torture him and then only leave
Similarly, you have stolen their property and you tortured them
Therefore, they have caught the thief in this birth and collect their money
Apart from that they will torture you by dragging you down from the Lord

If you progress in your spiritual path and reach and please the Lord
You are saved permanently and attain eternal happiness here and there
Now these enemies obstruct your spiritual path and drag you back
From that Eternal divine benefit and due to that you will fall in this world-cycle
In this cycle, which is the permanent hell, you are tortured forever
By this, their vengeance is subsided and they stand around you even
In your last minutes so that you will be attracted by them then also

And you will not remember the Lord even in the last minute
This is the reason why all your family members reach you even before your death
They reach you when they hear that you are seriously ill, they are very alert
But you fool! You are not alert about them and remember them only even on the
Death bed! Is your this world not really unreal? You analyse the fact

I say this family world is the most unreal world because these bonds are not only
Unreal according to the analysis of Sankara, but also they are the bonds
Of enmity and so must be hated according to the Holy Jesus
You are thinking the enemy as your friend! How unreal is this bond?
First you come out of this unreal world created by you due to your past deeds

People say often that the world is unreal, yes! It is absolutely unreal
But the world is not this physical world created by the Lord
The unreal world is your family created by yourself due to your past karma

Similarly, your religion is another broader unreal world created by you
Your fellow religious people obstruct you from entering Universal spirituality
Because they are your enemies in the mask of friendship in this birth
You harmed them spiritually in the previous birth and therefore they have come
Now here as your friends belonging to the same religion and revenge upon you
When you come out of these two worlds, which are well and river
You will enter the Universal Spirituality, which is the infinite ocean

Could you say that again please ,,,lol .

Hey l appreciate all that .

This site is very good and we all want to know the answers and we are still working on the questions .

The sad part is that we have to die to know and once we are dead , toe up , we believe we go to Heaven in the sky and live and enjoy and everything lol. The Atheists ofcourse will be left outside the gate but some will sneak in and some will get in [in] the 'Faith -Hope " clause otherwise known as the wildcard spot.

Ouch , l'm in trouble now .

When the Bible was written it was lost sort of and found again and put together and we want to believe that those words were it but there may be more out there hidden in a bottle of wax or something rediculous and will be found and not re-write history , but just add some that was left out but the parts that are missing can change Faith to Fact so they remain defacto lost.

There is only one Lord and He is the creator of this entire Universe. The contradiction between various scriptures of the world is due to misinterpretation or deletion or addition by some vested interest and fanatics. LORD is the original author of the scriptures. He comes down in human form and preaches the true divine knowledge. As soon as the teacher goes of out of the world the student become unrully and corrupt the preachings. Thus there is a necessity for LORD to come again and again to this world in human form. Only by human form LORD can preach us. So that people can approach HIM without any tension and clear all their doubts.

Human Incarnation is the correct place of LORD. Whatever services you do to Him, the Heavenly Father hidden in HIM receives it directly. So service to HIM means service to LORD directly. He is the correct place of LORD. You are bound by worldly bonds and family bonds. Your love to LORD in depends on the weakness of your other bonds. Your only real relation is with Lord. Other relations are temporary and you need only to perform your duty to them without any mental attachment. That is all!

Only through undivided devotion to LORD you can please Him. NO OTHER WAY. Your love should be practical. You are showing your love to your children in reality by practise. YOU never pray or meditate on your child, dont you? This love you show is spotaneous and nobody aksed you to do it like that. Your approach to Lord should be in the same line. For this LORD should be available to you in human form. HE COMES in human form in every generation for your service. In fact GOD do not want your service, but it is for your uplift ment HE is allowing you to serve HIM. It is the most prestigous job in this world to serve LORD IN human form without any desire.

YOUR family members were your vehiment enimies in your previous birth. YOU had stolen their money, now they have come in the mask of freindliness to take their due. Due to the force of your karma you do not remember your past birth. If you remember your past life then you will not repay them. Thus you are bound to clear your dues to your enimies. So it is your responsibility to clear your dues. YOU do it without any mental attachment.