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Butterfly If "it" isn't God and Satan ,, what is "it" ?

If "it" isn't God,, what is "it" ?
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If God is not real than something else is .

What are all the 'psi' things if God and Satan are not real ?

How are those 100% proven and documented ,even in videos ,real such as Benny Hinn etc .

Why can a Man touch another and Heal ?

What is the explanation , if not God , for "logic' in our killling and eating our furry friends the animals etc ?

The Atheists say no no no , no God , and can explain very easilly why there is no God .

Even with the miracles etc allowing a presentaion of what Humans call " God" this is not enough yet any intelligent person who believes in God or not realises that some people are Healed etc and most are from a Spiritual aspect and some from actual Holistic Systems whatever but there are strange "unknown" things going on here on Earth and if not God ,than what ?
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Moomoo, just because something isn't explained currently doesn't mean God or Satan are real.
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Where from Satan came?

Where from Satan came?

Then people ask from where Satan came and from what source he got his power? The answer is that the same producer and director of the movie, who appointed one actor as hero has appointed another as the villain. The villain is also remunerated like the hero. Sometimes the producer-cum-director can enter the movie in the role of a hero and such a role is called as the human incarnation of the Lord. The villain opposes the hero in the cinema. The hero wins over the villain, giving a good message to the spectators. But remember that the hero, who is the producer, has remunerated the villain and also directed every action of the villain as the director of the whole picture.

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Moomoo- what do you mean by "God" exactly?
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How are those 100% proven and documented ,even in videos ,real such as Benny Hinn etc .

Why can a Man touch another and Heal ?
Sorry, mooomooo, but you have been misled. Benny Hinn is a fake, and there are no documented proofs of faith healings anywhere. In every case, every single one, there is either no confirmed diagnosis of illness to begin with, or there is no follow-up to the cure after the fact, or there was hidden trickery. (James Randi, "The Amazing Randi," has written extensively on the topic. Look it up.)
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What is the explanation , if not God , for "logic' in our killling and eating our furry friends the animals etc ?
What on earth does God have to do with eating animals? Other animals eat animals. Worms eat animals after they're dead. Plants eat animals after they're composted, and new plants will be food for new animals. Almost all life on this planet consumes other life.
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The Atheists say no no no , no God , and can explain very easilly why there is no God .
That's true. There are endless sensible discussions about how nature works, and none of them requires a god hypothesis at all.
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Even with the miracles etc allowing a presentaion of what Humans call " God" this is not enough yet any intelligent person who believes in God or not realises that some people are Healed etc and most are from a Spiritual aspect and some from actual Holistic Systems whatever but there are strange "unknown" things going on here on Earth and if not God ,than what ?
I'll tell you what. You provide me with one, single, solitary example of a documented miracle, or a documented healing, or a documented "unknown thing going on here on earth," and I'll see if I can help you understand what's really going on. So far, you haven't given me any actual stuff to go on.
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If "it" isn't God and Satan, what is "it"?

Belief. Jesus said: As you believe so be it done. I never believed in Satan or a Devil, but I talked to a neighbor that swore up and down that he saw a Devil appear to him. Up to that point I had only believed in Angels and faieries.

Then my youngest daughter (6) came to me and said that a friend of her's told her that if she said a bad word, the Devil would reach his hand out from the ground and pull her down under the earth. I told my daughter that we don't believe in a Devil, she answered :"That's right, we only believe in the good stuff." That really got me thinking. Are we so gulable to believe only the good stuff is "real". I did not start believing in a Devil : ) But I stopped believing in angels and in fairies and chystals, and symbols, and vitamins, and herbs and everything the world told me that had "power". I saw that the only power something has is the power I give it, through belief.

No one can prove there is a God and no one can prove there is a God. But anyone can experience God. It's like electricity. You don't see it and you don't even need to know how it works in order to benifit from it or experience it. It's like plugging in, those that are "plugged" in will receive the benifits of it and those that are not plugged in won't. There is no judgment upon either. The question remains: What serves you to believe?

I recall reading about experiment that two researcher did exactly the same, yet two different results. A doctor will always get the answers to "his" questions, a preacher to "his", a researcher to "his" and a student to "his". We create the answer as we are asking the question. We are that powerful.

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No one can prove there is a God and no one can prove there is a God [I presume you mean is no God: EH]. But anyone can experience God. It's like electricity. You don't see it and you don't even need to know how it works in order to benifit from it or experience it. It's like plugging in, those that are "plugged" in will receive the benifits of it and those that are not plugged in won't. There is no judgment upon either. The question remains: What serves you to believe?
And so, I guess, since neither the mother or her little baby, who's organs are liquified painfully by ebola, were "plugged in" enough to receive the "benefits?"
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I recall reading about experiment that two researcher did exactly the same, yet two different results. A doctor will always get the answers to "his" questions, a preacher to "his", a researcher to "his" and a student to "his". We create the answer as we are asking the question. We are that powerful.
What question, do you think, was being asked by a quarter million people killed by a tsunami in the Indian Ocean? They all seem to have got the same answer, whatever their individual questions might have been.

I'm a bit unsure what "power" you are claiming for us.
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Dear E.H.
To believe that everything just happens by coincedence could be pure ignorance. Once we recognize a pattern we can bring about change. The rich getter richer, the poor poorer. Why did these catastrophes happen to mainly the poor? Jesus said: Those that have will have more, those that have less, the lesser will be taken away. Don't you see that happening in this world?

I have heard of some old people taking up to 6 different medications a day, did they start with 6? Probably not. They started with one illness, then something else came, and something else and something else. The sick get sicker.

What ever we claim to have we will have more of. Same in a realtionship: if you claim to be fighting a lot, guess what? That is what you will experience. You don't have to agree with me or even answer me, just look into your own experience: Finances, love, Joy and Peace. Is what you experience not also your claim/belief?

How to change it would be to look deeper into what causes one to "have". Is it necessary to have physical things or is it enough to "feel" we have, what ever small amount we do have?

I look for solutions because I have compassion. I see the possibility of the end to suffering in this world by bringing spiritual consciousness to ones awareness, it might not be the absolute...I don't know. But feeding the poor or teaching them to fish or even healing or finding a cure has not yet brought about a change. I am making an efford into looking for solutions to stop the suffering in this world. What is your solution?

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To believe that everything just happens by coincedence could be pure ignorance. Once we recognize a pattern we can bring about change. The rich getter richer, the poor poorer. Why did these catastrophies happen to mainly the poor? Jesus said: Those that have will have more, those that have less, the lesser will be taken away. Don't you see that happening in this world?

I have heard of some old people taking up to 6 different medications a day, did they start with 6? Probably not. The started with one then something else came, and some thing else and something else. The sick get sicker.

What ever we claim to have we will have more of. Same in a realtionship: if you claim to be fighting a lot, guess what? That is what you will experience. You don't have to agree with me or even answer me, just look into your own experience: Finances, love, Joy and Peace. Is what you experience not also your claim/belief?

How to change it would be to look deeper into what causes one to "have". Is it necessary to have physical things or is it enough to "feel" we have, what ever small amount we do have?

I look for solutions because I have compassion. I see the possibility of the end to suffering in this world by bringing spiritual consciousness to ones awareness, it might not be the absolute...I don't know. But feeding the poor or teaching them to fish or even healing or finding a cure has not yet brought about a change. I am making an efford into looking for solutions to stop the suffering in this world. What is your solution?



I don't know if there is any Satan/Devil, because I personally have never experinced spiritual evil. But I have experienced evil here in my life, me and my brothers and sisters always jokingly refer to our mother as Satan. My brother who is paranoid scizophrinic truely believes our mom is Satan. My mom used to be very cruel to us when we were children, and even these days as adults she can still be very cruel and vengful to her children, when it comes to using their children--her own grandchildren--against them to hurt them. I have seen a lot of evilness in my life. Satan has always been something to fear for me, and I never scared my girls with the Devil as I was made to be scared of him when I was a child. However, they do know that there is good and evil in the world. I have never covered my childrens eyes from the facts of life. Life can be very cruel.

As for God, I beleive in Him totally, and I will never let nobody take that away from me. I have taught my girls about Him. I take them to church sometimes, and have taken them to all differnet kinds of churchs just basically still searching myself. My girls have grown with me kinda in our experiences with different kinds of religion, and I'm sure they'll go on to search on their own. My girls are 19, 17, and 15. God is very much a part of our lives, though we could never claim to be the typical Christian believers...


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I look forward to reply as soon as l get back . My time is free soon and l want to reply asap so l put this post here to say that.

Now that l've said that lol , it's not easy being me . You should have seen what happened this morning with my grown up daughter right there lol , but anyways or is it anyway , l will be back .

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