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Old 7th May 2007, 12:53 AM
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Michael Martin has a book called,"I Think Therefore I'm An Atheist."

This presupposes that theists don't think. What do you think?
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I am a theist and I think. I think very carefully about what I believe, and well...I am insulted by that title.
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Dear L.K,

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Michael Martin has a book called,"I Think There I'm An Atheist."

I tried to look for this book, but could not find it. Is the title maybe different? Where did you get this information from? Thanks
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Dear L.K,

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Michael Martin has a book called,"I Think Therefore I'm An Atheist."

I tried to look for this book, but could not find it. Is the title maybe different? Where did you get this information from? Thanks
i saw it on someone's website today. I don't remember whose since I visit many pages a day. They had an actual photo of the book. It may be out of print.
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I am a theist and I think. I think very carefully about what I believe, and well...I am insulted by that title.
Here is the problem. Theists exclude atheists when they speak of people of faith, as if faith is not a inherently human attribute. If we insult them is it any wonder that they return the favor?
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To me thinking is an essential part of being human whether you believe in God or not.

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Michael Martin has a book called,"I Think Therefore I'm An Atheist."
This presupposes that theists don't think. What do you think?

Well, first of all I had to look up what a theists is, if I understand it right it is one who believes in a God, or God. So, I would fall into that catagorie?

I do not find his title/statement as an insult. I actually agree, considering that my belief is that we are one with God in the absense of thought. To think is to have doubt. Think about that for a while: The only time we think is when we don't know. To say that people that think are Atheist or people that don't think are theist, is incorrect. The action of thinking, being in thought is being in separation from God. Yet only thinking will bring one to no thought. Thought has to preceed understanding. It is a conscious choice to take no thought and it is harder to take no thought than it is to think. I think it is our natural state to be, beingness does not require thought.

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Thought is required for intelligence.
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I think the author may be referring to the nature of faith. There is much information available to many religious people where they are not allowed to consider or even review. When I had discussions with certain religious people, I have asked them if they were familiar with “such and such” a book and though they were very well familiar with their own religion’s publications many of these people were not allowed to refer to these other publications. Many websites are also "off-limits" to it's religion’s members. In some religions you are not even allowed to question or even offer suggestions or improvements of a religion’s doctrine without coming under suspicion of being an intellectual thinker or at worst an apostate and possibly falling into disfavor from such penalties as disfellowship or excommunication. Many members of religion are not interested in expanding their knowledge of their inherent religion aside from what the governing body is feeding them. They are only interested in learning, keeping and defending their faith instead of trying to conclude their beliefs.
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Dear Statrei,
The capacity to think is intelligence, not the acton itself. We are not less intelligent in a state of meditation.

Dear Cardero,
I see nothing wrong with the freedom to believe in a God or not believe in a God, or with the freedom to worship God in any way one feels "right". Is that not what Hinduism teaches also?


God is I am. It does not matter if you believe in a God or not. You are and EVERYONE is claiming to be something or/and something : ) No one would be anything if we were not to claim something, consciously or not.

We might have different definitions to what God is and if there is a God or not, but we all are being: idea, demonstration and experience = God
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