How do we determine without doubt that god/s exists?

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It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatever for supposing it true. -- Bertrand Russell

I encourage and maintain the unpopular theory that if we exist, GOD must exist. Let me explain. Every entity you encounter (spiritual or physical) has come into existence at a different moment. If you were to follow the chain of existence you would discover that there had to be a first entity; an entity that was here before anyone else. That BEing must be GOD. That is GOD’s great claim to fame. GOD was indeed the first entity. Anything you apply to GOD after this TRUTH may be misplaced. This is where the belief that if you deny GOD’s existence you deny yourself and I have never met anyone who has denied their own existence.

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"There is one thing that organized religion is not qualified to teach and that is an individual's purpose."-GOD

I would say the same way you determine the existence of things you cannot readily feel, hear, see, taste, or touch. You examine it's effect on people see what sources could cause them. Whether you have a doubt about God's existence at that point is a matter of faith.

On what reasoning?

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-Scott

It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatever for supposing it true. -- Bertrand Russell

There is nothing supernatural that I believe in without doubt.

Can you clarify for me how it is possible to establish the existence of god/s without doubt?

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-Scott

It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatever for supposing it true. -- Bertrand Russell

I would have to reply on the fact that I believe what the Bible says "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

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Fromthe heart

FTH, how does this lend certainty to belief? There is no 'must' here, just a claim.

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-Scott

It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatever for supposing it true. -- Bertrand Russell

There is a simple, yet elegant irony to professing agnosticism. For those of us who do have an experiential relationship to the Divine in one degree or another, the idea of "not knowing" is really a quite Holy state to be in. Regardless of the religion or tradition, regardless of the lack of awareness of the holy moment not knowing can bring, the agnostic is poised to recieve much, because he is empty.

Peace

Mark

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An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth, and the whole world will be blind and toothless-M.K. Ghandi

I love reading alot written by mystics because the majority (from any religion) agree on one concept. "The understand that they can never understand." Or "they know that they can never know." I find that so beautiful!!

Personal revelation is one way that I might become a believer in a god. But although I would be quite content to believe or have faith in such a circumstance I doubt I could shed my skeptical nature. I would definitely question the verity of my revelation until death.

Have any of you folks had an experience that has lead you toward faith in a deity?

If so, can you possibly rule out delusion?

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-Scott

It is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatever for supposing it true. -- Bertrand Russell