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Old 22nd June 2005, 12:36 PM
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...Can you clarify for me how it is possible to establish the existence of god/s without doubt?...
...Personal revelation is one way that I might become a believer in a god...
You answered your own question. Faith is a matter of personal revelation, so it's not my place to define how that may or may not happen for you or to clarify what it might mean in your life.

I hope that makes sense and that you realize I'm not trying to cryptic or evasive. I was refuting your original statement '...I personally beleive we are essentially all agnostic...' by stating that I am not agnostic in any sense of the word.
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Old 22nd June 2005, 03:50 PM
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On what reasoning?

There is an old joke that goes that somewhere in any given country there exists the worst doctor. Process of elimination logically concludes that out of all the doctors practicing, if we were to evaluate their expertise somehow we would come across the worst doctor. I use this example to illustrate all the physical and spiritual entities that have ever existed to determine which entity was the first to actually come into existence. That entity would be GOD. Just as there should not be any awards/prizes/honor/recognition given to being the worst doctor I do not feel any should be given to the first entity that existed.

P.S. I apologize for the late reply Jaiket.
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Old 22nd June 2005, 04:07 PM
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I am not agnostic in any sense of the word.
Fair enough. I can't grasp how we can achieve certainty of the supernatural, but fair play, you answered my question.
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I use this example to illustrate all the physical and spiritual entities that have ever existed to determine which entity was the first to actually come into existence. That entity would be GOD. Just as there should not be any awards/prizes/honor/recognition given to being the worst doctor I do not feel any should be given to the first entity that existed.
The first entity is god by default simply by being the first?

How do you classify entity? Does it include biological criteria?
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Jaiket writes: Personal revelation is one way that I might become a believer in a god. But although I would be quite content to believe or have faith in such a circumstance I doubt I could shed my skeptical nature. I would definitely question the verity of my revelation until death.

As it should be. There is nothing incorrect about belief. You have the right to believe all you want. Sometimes a personal revelation will have to do because it is sometimes difficult to explain or share your beliefs with GOD with someone who has already established a different relationship (or belief system) with this Being.

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Jaiket writes: Have any of you folks had an experience that has lead you toward faith in a deity?


Not so much faith. One of the first things I discarded when I started my relationship with GOD is faith. GOD does not put faith in us. Since GOD does not have any problem believing in us, I think the proper thing to do would be to return that consideration.

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Jaiket writes: If so, can you possibly rule out delusion?

The only way to rule out delusion is if GOD (or myself) proves that this is not a relationship that I want to encourage or maintain in my lifetime. I have eliminated many delusional relationships on the evidence of what other entities have provided or what I have uncovered and what they mean to my spirit or my purpose.
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Jaiket writes: The first entity is god by default simply by being the first?

Unless that first entity looks behind him/her to find that another entity has been there before them.
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As spiritual or physical.
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A physical entity could best be described as anything that can contain a life force. As for a spiritual entity, I haven’t been able to grasp all the concepts yet but this may be a cause of my inability to remember. One belief that holds much weight for me is that no entity starts their (original) existence in the physical.
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FTH, how does this lend certainty to belief? There is no 'must' here, just a claim.

Ok...honey I MUST believe the Bible...it's not in me to not to! The Bible has been a time tested truth for me so let's just say'IMPO" ok? Soooo...I claim it Must? Hehe!
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