I was witnessing a debate about perfection. Is the concept of perfection and humans being imperfect a human concept rather than an concern of God? When we witness the behavior the other animals in the animal kingdom do we consider them imperfect?

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"Is the concept of perfection and humans being imperfect a human concept rather than an concern of God?"

God is spirit and can only create that which is spirit (not the material/physical). God is not concered about "humans" being humans. Would a parent be concerned about a child identifing himself with being a doctor, an ingineer, a construction worker? One might identify themselves with being, but that beingness is subject to change.

Even though in a bigger picture we can see that everything is in divine order and as it should be...perfect, humans are not perfect, suffering is not perfect, poverty is not perfect, Illness is not perfect. I see that the concept of perfection is often misunderstood. When I speak of perfection, it is not of the appearance, but that which is of God: spirit.

Example: Someone has over weight problems. I tell them to change their perspective from being "overweight" to realizing they are spirit and spirit is perfect. Instead of identifying themselves with being spirit, they try to change their perspective from believing they have overweight to seeing their body as perfect. You can't change the appearance, the appearance is a reflection/cause/outpouring/shadow/manifestation of a belief. Change the belief and the appearance changes. Identify yourself with being spirit, knowing that spirit is perfect and life becomes a bliss, as it was meant to be, as God created it.

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great post, V! I agree 2000% :-)

I've met people I thought were perfect, and imediately began to admire them and try to model my ownself after what I saw in them and thought of as ideal.

I have never been able to even follow my ideal, though, well I've come close a few times. Then something always happens to knock me back down there whre I belong it seems.

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Yes, Angeleyes: Once you know the Truth, it does not matter anymore, if others believe, if they think you insane, crazy or a liar. LOL. Life is a bliss!!!

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What do you mean, knock you back down where you belong? Where do you think you belong?

Perfection? How can we come close to perfection when we can't even get the fundamentalist Christians to stop saying we're all miserable sinners deserving of the worst God's got, and only escaping punishment for how awful we are by "grace?"

Perfect? Hah. According to them we're dirt!

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evangelicalhumanist: Greek "eu"=good and "angelos"=messenger. Spreading the good news of Humanism.

Hmmmm. I think human beings are perfectable, but we are not perfect.

Within the lore that I believe, the gods are interested in the Human soul coming to full wisdom, and fuller knowledge, while it is within the confines of this World...and there is existence ebyond the Circles of the World, where even higher stages of "perfection" might be reached.

Of course, both the idea of perfection, and the idea that some states are "more perfect" and some "less perfect" are human inventions. They are convenient abstractions, but may not describe at all how things appear to deity.

As for animals; they are not "less prefect" than human, nor are the "less perfectable"; we are all on the same journey.

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Grassaf, Eolas

I have ideas, but they seem to be more than I can reach for. So I guess I belong in the middle somewhere, that easier to attain.

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When a man sleeps in his bed, his soul leaves him to soar above, each soul according to its own way.......
The Zohar

Be careful not to settle, to give up your dreams and hopes. We have them for a reason, and even if we don't achieve them, it is the growth that happens when we try, and keep trying that counts. I don't think you belong in the middle, but at the top with the stars. So reach for them, and grow so that you feel you belong. You can do whatever you want, you have the ability and tools to do so.