No. You are NOT. To begin with, I am talking about me, not you, EH, Amergin, or any other atheist on the board. Me...ME...ME It's about my spiritual development, as is clear from the context of my remarks.

There were eight "I" statements in 4 short paragraphs, 9 sentences. Is that clear enough??? That should be clear enough, I would think, for anyone, but apparently I was wrong.




I would say, if you choose to inject a word I didn't use, and place it in quotes as if I did use it, you are being dishonest. As for lazy, its clear , after all, you didn't bother to pay attention to what I wrote, or my follow up with EH. Perhaps I should also have said that Atheism makes it impossible for people to read...since based on a sample of 2/2, it does!!


Care to explain how you search something you don't think exists???




Observing that X, Y or Z is sophomoric, does not mean that other things can't be sophomoric, as well. Nor does the fact that something else is sophomoric relieve X, or Y, or Z from the charge of being sophomoric.... Sorry, but your argument simply isn't logical, nor reasonable.


"Be seeing you..."

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Grassaf, Eolas

OK then, you should have said that atheism allowed me to ....in stead of people.

As for my comprehension and reading skills, I completely followed the conversation. I just felt the comment of using atheism as an out because they did not feel like following through and learning about what they decided not to believe in was rather bothersome to me.

And if one previously did believe but was now questioning those beliefs, I feel that 'soul searching' would be a valid term.

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I'm not "people"? I'm not allowed to refer to myself as a member of the community defined as "people"?

Thank you very much....

Well, since I am an unperson, maybe you will do me the courtesy of neither reading nor commenting on anything a non-being has to say, in future.

Between EH deciding that I am not allowed to have opinions, and you deciding I'm not a "people", I'm getting pretty fed up.

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Grassaf, Eolas

Of course you are a person, however one person cannot be a people. That just isn't proper English.

However, if you wish for me to not bother commenting to you ever again I can arrange that.

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This could also be said about Religion_A rejecting Religion_B. (Substitute *any* two belief systems in the preceding equation)

The fault is not in atheistic or theistic beliefs, but in the individual practice thereof.

From my POV, I simply see a clash of perceptual values. People who consider reason to be superior to faith will often discard faith-based testimony (and all associated religious literature) because they do not consider it to be valid data for their purposes.

Conversely, a believer who considers faith superior to reason may well become uncomfortable and threatened when asked for empirical proof. Faith is intensely subjective and personal, and when it comes into question it's harder to put emotional distance between oneself and the disputed ideas.

Atheism is another example of the freedom of believing, or if one prefers, the freedom to not believe. I have always considered that atheists may be closer to the truth about GOD than theists, in other words, that no belief is required in order for GOD to exist and the need or the reliance of GOD is unnecessary for humans to get through this physical existence. The only thing that breaks down the atheist argument for me is when an athiest disputes a faith in GOD but then places their faithful eggs in another basket (science, governemnt, sports team) then this person just reminds me of another religious person with a different Godhead.

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"There is one thing that organized religion is not qualified to teach and that is an individual's purpose."-GOD

Interesting thought. Personally, I think that attempting to debunk gods is a valid and vital part of the process of looking for them. If they're there, they won't be rendered nonexistent by lack of worship on my part. And if some phenomenon can be explained better by natural means, that's also important to know.

Think of it as cutting away everything that doesn't look like a god...

I believe that some athiests have considered the idea of gods its just that atheists do no not believe or agree on the ones that religious minded people have presented to them. With this understanding, I agree with them. It also makes me wonder if GOD is somewhat of an atheist too. Not so much that He doesn't believe in Himself or His existence but that He refuses to believe in the way that other humans have depicted Him.

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"There is one thing that organized religion is not qualified to teach and that is an individual's purpose."-GOD

With the understanding that "our spiritual growth" takes many incarnations to complete, yes.

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