It's an "???" because i don't know which box my beliefs fall into -- and i dislike boxes.

But i'm angry anyway. I'm angry because i don't know which box my beliefs fall into.

Believe me.... i'm so angry that if i had a cat, i'd kick it.... and find an original way to skin it.


Peace, Love, & Light

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Patanjali - Sutra 4:17

I too have to come to peace not to "fit" in a box. Maybe none of us "fit" in a box. Maybe not fitting in anyone's box, is the way or everyone having their own box, yet then again we would be in a box. Can we be without a box?

I think you are great Aged Hippy...just the way you are. You don't need a box to be my friend : )

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I too have to come to peace not to "fit" in a box. Maybe none of us "fit" in a box. Maybe not fitting in anyone's box, is the way or everyone having their own box, yet then again we would be in a box. Can we be without a box?

I think you are great Aged Hippy...just the way you are. You don't need a box to be my friend : )
.... *blushing furiously*.... Thank You.

I think that if we allow ourselves to be put into a box -- or worse still *voluntarily put ourselves into a box* -- then it becomes restricting of original thoughts and concepts, we can easily become obsessed with the box itself - "I am an "xx", because I believe in "XX", and I must believe in that at all costs in order to be an "xx"".

We thus belittle ourselves by believing what someone else claims to be true, rather than finding out for ourselves what is true, and what is true for ourselves.
If you see what i mean....

A box is impervious to outside influences, nothing can penetrate it - all it does is enclose us.


Peace, Love, & Light

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"An object is perceived, or not perceived, according as the mind is, or is not, tinged with the colour of the object. "
Patanjali - Sutra 4:17

Yes, Aged Hippy I agree. Beliefs and concepts put us in boxes. I think it is o.k. to have an opinion and ideas, but when we are stuck on these things we box oursleves in and everyone else out.

Can we believe without putting ourselves in a box? Could that be simply to know without really formulating in our minds ...what we know?

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Can we believe without putting ourselves in a box?
I thnk that the box only appears when we identify ourselves with our beliefs. The danger comes when we crawl inside the box and seal the lid.

Could that be simply to know without really formulating in our minds ...what we know?
Yes, i think that that would be the ideal state, it seems to me that to formulate them would be to box them - which is the same as boxing ourselves.


Peace, Love, & Light

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"An object is perceived, or not perceived, according as the mind is, or is not, tinged with the colour of the object. "
Patanjali - Sutra 4:17

So, from now on I will say I know that I know, I know, what? I don't know. That seems clear enough to me.

Is it that we in order to connect with others try to discribe our beliefs? Do we maybe think beliefs are what connect us?

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So, from now on I will say I know that I know, I know, what? I don't know. That seems clear enough to me.
LOL.... please - don't take my thoughts and apply them to yourself. They're only my thoughts -- and i haven't thought them through, they probably aren't consistent.

Is it that we in order to connect with others try to discribe our beliefs? Do we maybe think beliefs are what connect us?
It seems to me that maybe beliefs are one of the things that connect us, but i don't think that we describe our beliefs in order to connect - because there is always the possibility that someone else's are the polar opposite to our own, and they would maybe become estranged from - rather than connected to - ourselves.

On the other hand - i do think that people with like thoughts and beliefs are attracted without necessarily realising it.


Peace, Love, & Light

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"An object is perceived, or not perceived, according as the mind is, or is not, tinged with the colour of the object. "
Patanjali - Sutra 4:17

Viv


But suppose I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. Does the latter dilute the former or does the only triumph rest with the bottle of scotch required to put everything into perspective?

No, truthfully I most often don't understand what you say, but that does not disturb my peace. You create your experience, as I create mine : )

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Well if this is true and I created my experiences of the Armenian genocide, you can't expect me to be so happy about it. Perhaps this is why people are so uncaring. They created their own initial experience and find it best to ignore it and create another experience.