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Old 25th October 2007, 07:35 PM
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Scripture/Nectar or Sting

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Jamal in his interview quoted Rumi: A wasp and a bee go to the same flower. One makes nectar one stings.

Why is it that some find the nectar or beauty in scripture and some use it to sting or preach hate?
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Old 25th October 2007, 08:41 PM
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Why is it that some find the nectar or beauty in scripture and some use it to sting or preach hate?
Because, like the scorpion in the Aesop fable, that is their nature.

One notes, however, that the honey that bees make is quite different, depending on the flower. Clover honey is not nearly the same thing as buckwheat honey.

And that is why religions and religious ideas proliferate so wildly. Scriptures are not the same, nor are the exegetes who read them.

And that brings me to an issue that I've thought about for a long time. The difference between "scripture" and other -- probably equally wise -- writing is the cache that it is given. Scripture is accepted by believers to be somehow qualitatively different from other writings, and therefore what one gleans from scripture is seen to be qualitatively different from what one gleans from, for example, Shakespeare. And yet, I daresay that value of equal worth is available from both (and as much harm may be drawn from both, too).

That is one of the reasons that I personally look at scripture with a very skeptical eye.

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One day a frog was sitting by the bank of the river enjoying the warm sun and cool breeze. It so happened that a scorpion approached him rather quickly as to inquire about crossing the river. "Frog", said the scorpion, "I am in need of passage across the river upon your back. I am prepared to pay you with this mealworm that I have not eaten."

The frog thought about it for a moment, then replied "Scorpion, I know that if I grant you a ride across the river upon my back, you will poison me on the other side. For that alone I shall say 'no thanks'."

"Frog", again said the scorpion, "Please, I have no wish to harm you, I promise. I just need to go across the river to find more food. There is nothing left on this side for me to eat."

The frog thought about it again for a moment and then agreed to help the scorpion get across the river.

Half way across, the frog felt a rather sharp, stinging sensation in his back. The scorpion had stuck him with his venom. "SCORPION!", cried the frog, "You have killed me and you as well. Why have you done this?"

"Because I am a scorpion...and that is my nature."
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What you seek you will find. If you seek the beauty in things, you will see the beauty in things. Why some seek something different then beauty, is probably because they don't know there is something else they could seek and find : )
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I think this may be from a matter of perception. One person sees life as something precious to be encouraged, no matter if the person they are encouraging thinks like them or not; and another person will seak to contol and will use whatever they can to get that control. Unfortunately, religion is commonly used to control.
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What you seek you will find. If you seek the beauty in things, you will see the beauty in things. Why some seek something different then beauty, is probably because they don't know there is something else they could seek and find : )

I don't fight for recognition of the Armenian genocide to reveal the beauty of it. Hard as I try, I don't see the beauty in it and for some reason continue seeing something else. Perhaps you can help me find the beauty I am missing.

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Even if I could show you what I see, you would not see it. You are looking through your eyes and not mine.

In order to see what I see, you would have to be who I AM.
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Why is it that some find the nectar or beauty in scripture and some use it to sting or preach hate?
I think that - as evangelicalhumanist points out - it is in their nature.
I much prefer to refer to all religious or spiritual texts as just that - religious or spiritual texts. It avoids the the implication that the text is somehow holy, to be respected.

According to Wiktionary:
Scripture:
1. A sacred writing or book.
2. (by extension) An authoritative statement.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/scripture



It should be borne in mind that bees too, sting when they're grumpy.


Abuse of power aside - i think that much like life, we get out of religious or spiritual texts that which best reflects our psyche.


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I agree Viv. Many refuse to see what I see and prefer to see what they see. This assures its recurrence. Is it really such a wonderful and blessed event? I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder
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Nick, suffering is never good nor a blessing. But "God" did not create suffering...we (as humans) did.
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Nick, suffering is never good nor a blessing. But "God" did not create suffering...we (as humans) did.

Unconscious beings do not create suffering. It is a natural attribute of organic life on earth. It is the result of the mechanical interactions of universal laws.

Anyone can see how animal life suffers in the jungle in the process of eating and being eaten. We are not creating it. Suffering is a natural result for the cycles of life on earth. No rose colored glasses can change this.
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