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Old 9th November 2007, 12:24 AM
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Does evolution have a direction?

Do you think evolution has a direction? Are we headed somewhere? And wouldn't this seem to show a higher force or purpose behind life?
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Hi angeleyes .
Evolution has at least two ways to look at it . The evolution of a rock , the evolution of life , and the evolution of life to have the ability to acknowledge it .

Reprodution seems the base of evolution yet if the 'ability to reason' was not , then the concept of recognised evolution would not evolve .

The goal of evolution seems real ,,,

yet in an infinite concept no goal can be reached , other than , say, a goal to accept infinity

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Interesting question. I think atmospheric conditions, weather, foods all have an effect on evolution. Our learning has effected evolution. Because of our learning to make and wear clothing we have changed the amount of body hair we have and the texture of skin. I don't think evolution proves or disproves a higher power.
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That reminds me of something ,,oh oh lol .

Here in wonderful ,,, ummn oh yea , Canada, oops sorry Mr Prime Minister , l was just kidding

,,anyway , getting back to ,, to ,, to,,, hold on ,,,

oh yea lol, 'animal hair' lol .

When Man first came around , somewhere near Toronto Canada perhaps lol , they were naked lol oops , but really .

Man would hunt and kill animals and eat them in their naked way of life back then .

And then one guy caveman whatever decided to 'skin' the animal and wear the 'skin' and wait in the bush in the animal 'skin' waiting for another animal to approach the 'skin' thinking it was another 'alive' animal.
When the other animal came close the hunter would spear it or whatever .
This is why they wore the dead animal skins .

Then one smart caveman named "Bob" , just kidding l don't know his name lol but he figured ,,

"hey , let's use these skins to keep us warm instead of bait ",,,

and soon the animal furs and skins became "clothes" and that is how that evolved honest .


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Do you think evolution has a direction? Are we headed somewhere? And wouldn't this seem to show a higher force or purpose behind life?

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"Nothing can have as its destination anything other than its origin. The contrary idea, the idea of progress, is poison." Simone Weil

The returning flow to the source is the direction of evolution.
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Do you think evolution has a direction? Are we headed somewhere? And wouldn't this seem to show a higher force or purpose behind life?
I don't think that evolution serves any other purpose than to make a species more able to live in a given environment.

I do, however, think that the evolution of a particular species is governed by the species consciousness (of that species).

I think that when a creature dies, the needs which it has to make survival easier - for example, a longer index finger to pry grubs from deeper tunnels, longer wing-feathers to enable it to glide further with less effort, or an extra layer of fat for insulation, etc. - are passed back to the species consciousness (which can be thought of as a sort of committee consisting of one ), and slight genetic changes are made for the next generation - if the changes are found to be advantageous, they are incorporated permanently, if disadvantageous, they are modified or dropped.

That's how i see it - i'm not asking anyone else to believe it, but it makes sense to me.


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Because of our learning to make and wear clothing we have changed the amount of body hair we have and the texture of skin.

.... how long before girl-children are born without hair follicles in their armpits....???




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That's how i see it - i'm not asking anyone else to believe it, but it makes sense to me.

Well said, and I tend to agree, but I'm not too certain about the "species consciousness" part. Could you elaborate?

BTW, for anyone who's interested, there's an excellent article in October's Scientific American on the issue of "consciousness" written by two research neurologists who tend to strongly disagree with one another. Maybe I'll post that on a new thread on Monday.

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I think that when a creature dies, the needs which it has to make survival easier - for example, a longer index finger to pry grubs from deeper tunnels, longer wing-feathers to enable it to glide further with less effort, or an extra layer of fat for insulation, etc. - are passed back to the species consciousness (which can be thought of as a sort of committee consisting of one ), and slight genetic changes are made for the next generation - if the changes are found to be advantageous, they are incorporated permanently, if disadvantageous, they are modified or dropped

How does this work with obesity and addiction genes? What about diseases? Why aren't these things dropped? They are all disavantageous to survival.
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Interesting question. I think atmospheric conditions, weather, foods all have an effect on evolution. Our learning has effected evolution. Because of our learning to make and wear clothing we have changed the amount of body hair we have and the texture of skin. I don't think evolution proves or disproves a higher power.

I read you describing adaptation. A blind cave fish for example is just a tetra that from living in complete darkness, gradually loses it eyes. I know this as adaptation. Its being has adapted to external circumstances.

Evolution is a change of "being" itself into a quality that is closer to the whole from which it has become a fraction. If a clam becomes a horse, this would be evolution.

Mechanical evolution on earth has been created and is complete for our time. All that is necessary now is adaptation of what already mechanically exists to adjust to external earthly conditions and allow the living machine in which everything eats everything else to continue functioning and serve its purpose.
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