Enlightenment

**metis** · #1 (**permalink**) 19th November 2007, 06:38 PM

"Enlightenment, or true happiness, is not a transcendental state. It is a condition of broad wisdom, boundless energy, and good fortune wherein we each shape our own destiny, find fulfillment in daily activities, and come to understand our ultimate purpose in life"-- Josei Toda

Agree?

Shalom,
Vern

Lightkeeper · #2 (**permalink**) 19th November 2007, 08:11 PM

That sounds good, but is different from other definitions of enlightenment. Some would say true enlightenment is Self realization or actualization, a merging of the unconcious into the conscious. I tend to believe enlightenment is transcendental.

The definition of enlightenment by Josei Toda seems more like a ply yourself with goodies state instead of a letting go in order to reach higher states.

vivamis123 · #3 (**permalink**) 19th November 2007, 10:17 PM

I don't know why enlightenment can't be both transcendental and of "broad wisdom, boundless energy, and good fortune wherein we each shape our own destiny, find fulfillment in daily activities, and come to understand our ultimate purpose in life".

aged hippy · #4 (**permalink**) 19th November 2007, 10:59 PM

I think that enlightenment is equivalent to attaining the Zarathushtrian ideal of Haurvatat; "The state of complete Well-being, physical and spiritual integrity. In its full form it is a state of perfection on earth."

Edited to add:
http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Religi...sha_spenta.htm

Peace, Love, & Light

**metis** · #5 (**permalink**) 20th November 2007, 12:22 AM

And I tend to agree with his approach since I really don't put much faith in things "mystical", which I associate with "transcendental". He's so much more down to earth than you folks with your head stuck in the clouds.

Heheheheheheheh.

Shalom,
Vern

vivamis123 · #6 (**permalink**) 20th November 2007, 01:04 AM

Your laughing alone Metis : )

I agree with Jesus the key is to be in this world yet not of it. To be compassionate without pity, to love without expectations and to choose life without fear: a spiritual life

**metis** · #7 (**permalink**) 20th November 2007, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vivamis123

Your laughing alone Metis : )

Apparently you're not familiar with sophisticated humor.

Nick_A · #8 (**permalink**) 20th November 2007, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metis

And I tend to agree with his approach since I really don't put much faith in things "mystical", which I associate with "transcendental". He's so much more down to earth than you folks with your head stuck in the clouds.

Heheheheheheheh.

Shalom,
Vern

And this attitude is precisely why Christianity became necessary. It allowed those that inwardly realized the unenlightened emptiness of secularism to experience an option leading to freedom from the cave

Quote:

Matthew 13:

10The disciples came to him and asked, "Why do you speak to the people in parables?"

11He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:
"Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
" 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15For this people's heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.'[a] 16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

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