I know everyone here has a different view of the bibical Satan my question is what did he really do wrong?


Prometheus Brought fire from the Gods to man wasn't he really just trying to help? Zeus punished Prometheus when he gave fire to man so why did God punish everyone? Why make man suffer for something that God himself created? Here's another thought. Why is it that we only hear God's side of the story? Have you ever once wondered if God was telling the truth? Perhaps God is not as powerful as He wants everyone to believe and only claims victory over Satan to inspire loyalty. Perhaps the legions of fallen angels are preparing an assault on Heaven as we speak. And just maybe this time Satan's armies will overthrow God. Did you ever stop and think if Satan's Humanism, his accpetence of freedom, and his understanding of sexuality is the right path? I am not here to change your beliefs. I merely want to make you think.

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I worship the old Gods because my heart tells me too not because I am told too.

Hello norwood1026,

In my opinion, Satan's crime was to tell the truth to Adam and Eve....
... which *someone else* failed to do.


Peace, Love, & Light

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"An object is perceived, or not perceived, according as the mind is, or is not, tinged with the colour of the object. "
Patanjali - Sutra 4:17

Interesting questions!

Of course, I'm still trying to figure out who the Old Testament God is!! I not sure about Satan. I don't think much about it and really don't believe there is an entity with that name, but I could be wrong. Perhaps there is a actual heirarchy of spiritual beings. Perhaps we create evil entities with our thoughts. Or, maybe it's the part of us that has forgotten our true nature, that has chosen to live outside the Oneness. It could also be just a name people gave to evil in ancient days and later began to think it's real... Just guessin.....

The idea that anything can "overthrow" the maximally powerful being God is ridiculous.

I see the "demonization" of Satan as a movement away from the transformative power of the Trickster archetype.

My hypothesis: At some point in the evolution of the Mesopotamian-Canaanite-Israelite mythos, power was seized by a small and determined clique of monotheists. (Probably an outgrowth of the genocidal land-grab by the people who instituted large-scale agriculture in that region, IMO.)

To further bolster monotheism (which allows for central control) and snuff out polytheism (which is favourably disposed to dissenting viewpoints and multiple power centers), it was necessary to demote the "sons of God" to angels and devils.

Of course, while all that was going on, the Trickster archetype had already been adopted by other cultures; hence Prometheus, Loki, and many others.

The idea is that we really don't know of Satan could or not we're only hearing one side of the story
Remember there are two side to every story.

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I worship the old Gods because my heart tells me too not because I am told too.

If there is a God that is maximally powerful, nothing has the potential to overthrow it.

However, what a Satanic force can apparently do is cloud an individual's awareness of the presence of divinity, which would perceptually be indistinguishable from overthrowing God.

If there is a Satan, I imagine it could suffer simply because, not being God, it is incomplete, lacks, and therefore wants what it lacks, and therefore suffers because of its desires to be (more) complete. Such would be the case if it had an unfulfilled purpose (such as overthrowing that which it cannot, by definition, overthrow), and a built-in mechanism equivalent to suffering to motivate it to attempt to fulfill its purpose. It may be less human than that, of course, and maybe it just knows it's incomplete without feeling suffering over that fact.

I think it's hard to make any definitive conclusions about Satan because, for example, we couldn't make many definitive conclusions about the emotional state of ETs orbiting Alpha Centauri (if there are any), and Satan is probably more different from us than ETs orbiting AC. Since we couldn't know much about the emotional state, or many traits in general other than existence, of those ETs, and since Satan is probably less like us than those ETs, I doubt much can be discerned about Satan through standard means such as logic and science.

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peace for all
love for all
bliss for all

...may your journey be graceful...

If anything is possible, then the statement, "anything is possible," is possibly false.

No more than can be discerned about God using those same tools...

One thing, and one thing only, is required to know anything at all about God, Satan or the Flying Spaghetti Monster --- a decent imagination.

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evangelicalhumanist: Greek "eu"=good and "angelos"=messenger. Spreading the good news of Humanism.

evangelicalhumanist , l know you are kidding when you said,,,

" One thing, and one thing only, is required to know anything at all about God, Satan or the Flying Spaghetti Monster --- a decent imagination."

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Those words can only apply to yourself and just because the intelligent evangelicalhumanist has not had a 'delusional dinner' does not and l repeat , does not mean that someone else has not also .
God chooses who will be His candidate on Earth and there may be more than one but when God approaches you it is when you are alone that you might see the real God . God has been felt collectively in Worship Places but it seems that when God wants a direct connection with you it is when you are alone .
This is because not all can see God as real and there is a valid reason for this that only some get to see the real God as real and most must go on Faith .

If you look closer you will see that some of the Bible and other Holy Books are missing chapters and those chapters tell why most of us must live in Faith if we want to believe in God but some actually do see God and are told by God why God sees us individually and what the reason is for us to be alone when we see the real God .

evangelicalhumanist , you and God have not connected in a direct way and l know this as your innocent and intelligent words show me this however evangelicalhumanist you cannot say with fact that l have not seen God or that any of us have or have not because it is a private personal meeting and relationship that God has Created for us so that at least some of us can see the real God but only those of us who could handle such an amazing event as seeing the real God would in fact see the real God .

evangelicalhumanist if you saw the real God today on your couch lol you would know and believe ,,, but you would also know what it is like to be alone,,, because no- one will ever believe that you saw God however they will say to you " we believe you believe you saw God" , but you really did see God and when and if you do see the real God you will instantly join the group of being alone , being alone with God .
And that aint a bad thing however it does put you in a category where you must constantly determine what is real and what isn't because once you see the real God , you know and you know why others are in Faith and you now are not because you know now God is real , but once you know ,,, you go it alone .

And this is good and it has to be this way .

Getting back to Satan oops , sorry Lord

Getting back to Satan ,,

There is God and Satan right or is there possibly a third culprit oops

Seriously though there is a bigger threat than Satan to Man . God knows and Satan knows of what it is .

It can be seen by Human eyes but it takes knowledge of how to recognise it from Satan , and God at times .

Just as there are different Hurts . A child drops his ice cream cone and he is surely hurt but not the same Hurt he will receive if his mother was killed by a car crossing the street . Perhaps neither hurt was from Satan but both hurts came from somewhere and they can be seen and monitored .

There is a hurt energy alive amongst us and it is thriving . Man cannot see it and everytime Man gets close to it Man is stopped and the other hurt energy continues to thrive but not reach it's goal .