Thoughts or comments, anyone?


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"An object is perceived, or not perceived, according as the mind is, or is not, tinged with the colour of the object. "
Patanjali - Sutra 4:17

Personally, I believe that good and evil are completely subjective. Humankind is incapable of adhering to a single set of defined morals/ethics. I think it's better to consider that one's actions are either productive or detrimental to one's own happiness.

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"The Lord can make you tumble, the Lord can make you turn, the Lord can make you overflow...but the Lord can't make you burn." - Randy Newman

Being is in itself neither good or bad but IS. Humans are being humans, which implies a belief in a separation from just pure being. This is the cause of an effect of an appearance in duality: good and bad.

If change is desired, one only needs to realize we are neither this nor that. Instead of judging an appearance as good or bad, we can raise our attention to the Truth of our being...pure.

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Nice "feel good" philosophy that values subjective good and evil but I still prefer Simone's realistic expression:

I wouldn't expect it to convince the court, and find it far less than convincing in philosophical discussion, too.


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Grassaf, Eolas

Thank you for the response and comments, Octavius.

"Personally, I believe that good and evil are completely subjective." -- i think that we all know the difference between right and wrong, we know - for example - that it's wrong to kill another person, or to cause them pain.... maybe it's just how wrong we judge it to be that possibly makes it subjective.

"I think it's better to consider that one's actions are either productive or detrimental to one's own happiness." -- i tend to think that the more happiness we spread to other people, the more is reflected back to ourselves, but ....



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"An object is perceived, or not perceived, according as the mind is, or is not, tinged with the colour of the object. "
Patanjali - Sutra 4:17

Thank you for the response and comments, Vivamis.
"Humans are being humans, which implies a belief in a separation from just pure being" -- i don't see this existence as a "belief" in a separation - i don't think there is any doubt that we are separated from "pure being", it seems to me that if we weren't somehow separated from it we wouldn't be experiencing this existence.
I'm not arguing, just saying how it seems to me.

"This is the cause of an effect of an appearance in duality: good and bad" -- but from a human perspective, the duality does indeed exist - we are obviously not other things, or other people; and there is a choice, we can do things which are good, or we can do things which are bad, and we ourselves decide which of the two we choose.



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"An object is perceived, or not perceived, according as the mind is, or is not, tinged with the colour of the object. "
Patanjali - Sutra 4:17

Thank you for the response and comments, NA.
.... What a woefully depressing (and depressive) outlook on life in general -- and on humankind in particular, Simone Weil seems to have had.

"Nice "feel good" philosophy .... " -- if i may say so, that's an astonishingly dismissive, derogatory, and naïvely simplistic judgement to make.
I'm afraid that if you're thinking that it's a quote from some kaftan-wearing, bead- and crystal-adorned new-ager living blissfully in la-la-land, you're on the wrong track -- it's from Shahriar Shahriari, who - it's safe to say - understands a little bit about the basics of Zarathushtrian philosophical concepts and thought.
It's from here: http://www.zarathushtra.com/z/article/overview.htm


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"An object is perceived, or not perceived, according as the mind is, or is not, tinged with the colour of the object. "
Patanjali - Sutra 4:17

Thank you for the response and comments, Eolas Pellor.

If someone decides to act in an 'evil' manner - and then does so, he has undoubtedly done so -- i can't see what point you're trying to make with this ... scenario.

That we are all aspects of God - and are therefore intrinsically divine ourselves -- but can make our own decisions as to whether we commit good acts or evil ones -- is the whole point of the quote - it seems to me.

We ourselves are responsible for our own actions -- and any consequences which they have.


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"An object is perceived, or not perceived, according as the mind is, or is not, tinged with the colour of the object. "
Patanjali - Sutra 4:17

If we are all aspects of the gods, then we are gods. The southern aspect of Monticello is as much Monticello as the northern aspect of Monticello, as an aspect is merely a point of view.


So, if the gods are good, then whatever the gods choose to do is good; as we are gods, whatever we choose to do is, therefore, good. No evil is possible.


But the only conseqences our actions can have are good. (Since we have done them, and we are gods, and what gods do is by defintion, good.)

(Now, one could ask, with Socrates, are the things done by the gods good because the gods do them, or are the gods gods because all they do is good.... )


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