Oh but l do

Mr Evangalitichumanistic the well known notorius and oh so kind Atheist stated that all who believe in God are believing in a delusion in application.

Yes he said that here live in front of millions of people .

" simply fantastic" said New York Times

"his words want me to be an Atheist " stated Benny Hinn at lunch .

" He is a walking miracle " stated the new 'Fratchley Boys' at their new disco .

But yes Major Asimov , some Atheists do believe that we who believe in God do not know that God is a delusion and not real .

Albert Einstein, when asked his worse mistake, said that it was assuming that there was another force, besides Gravity, which could explain the Galaxies movements. Today, Scientists are dumbfounded by the latest Hubble discoveries that Galaxies are increasing in speed. These scientists are trying to say that Einstein was wrong about his worse mistake. They claim that there must be some Undetected, Undiscovered, Mysterious force which is causing the Galaxies to move apart at increasing Speed.

The answer is that the 1st World was formed in the midst of the Waters, and our present World is formed in the midst of the Dust. The Galaxies are being drawn toward the larger mass of Dust which surrounds our World, and are increasing in speed as they approach the Firmament which surrounds our World.

At the end of the present 6th Day, the Stars will fall from the Sky and brimstone, dust and fire, will fall from Heaven. Everyone will then know that the false assumptions of mortal men, who believe that some unseen, unknown, undiscovered force, is propelling these Galaxies apart is nothing short of biblical illiteracy. Scientists could avoid making such assumptions if they would read Scripture.

Mark 13
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, v25 And the strs of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. v26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Yes, it is the power of the glory of the Son of God that causes the Big Bang to happen on the 3rd day of creation.

God Bless

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Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. v2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:1~2

Every human being, even the sane, is capable of being deluded. Anybody who has ever driven along a highway in high summer has seen "mirages" that appear to be water -- which turns out not to be there. Every one of us has had an experience at some time that was entirely generated by our brain -- the feeling that somebody was in the room with us, a voice or a sound for which there is no explanation, a tickle on the skin when there was no one there to touch it, the "deja vu" experience of being sure that you've been in this exact situation before.

There's nothing terribly unusual about being fooled by one's brain. There's nothing terribly rare about hullucinations -- they happen all the time, to the sane and the insane, to the rational and the irrational.

The only question is, how do we interpret what we've just experienced. Most will recognize the mirage for what it is. Others might be tempted to exclaim, "Oh, my God! The water just disappeared! It's a miracle!" Some might recognize the deja vu experience for what it is -- "cross-talk" in the brain, others might conclude that they've just entered a time vortex for a moment and actually repeated a past experience.

People with anosognosia can be persuaded to believe the most amazing things, and you can't talk them out of it, as is the case of the woman who thought her son's arm was attached to her body.

And people interpret things. All the time, they interpret, and arrive at conclusions that are difficult to talk them out of. Let me give you an example:

Several years ago, during a major snow storm, there was a very serious pile-up of many, many cars along Ontario's Highway 401 (a major highway transporting hundreds of thousands of people each day). Several people were killed, while some, seemingly miraculously, survived. One woman claimed to reporters repeatedly that she knew that it was "God himself" who saved her. And yet, she had no answer for why this same God, so busy saving her, had allowed a girl of about 11, just a few cars away, to perish, screaming for help, in anguish and terror from the flames engulfing her car. Had this little girl sinned so much more grievously than had the full-grown woman convinced that God was on her side?

There was a time when everybody, absolutely everybody on earth who ever thought about it, believed 100% that the Sun circled around the earth. They could tell, because they were standing right here, on the earth, and it sure as heck wasn't moving. Yet the sun continued to move across the sky, disappear on one side and reappear an appropriate amount of time later on the other, never stopping, never changing. Well, what else could it mean? Yet, everbody, every single last one of them, was wrong.

How many people today believe in ghosts? In fact, over half of Americans do. Almost half believe in astrology, that the motions of the planets affect their lives. A belief in ghosts, by the way, would be directly contradictory to Christian concepts of what occurs to the soul after death. That contradiction doesn't appear to bother ghost-believers. Astrology would appear to contradict most monothesistic religions, as well, but that isn't stopping the 43% who read their horoscopes expecting to find out how the day will progress.

I have never said anybody was delusional, or insane, or anything else. I have said that people often interpret things in ways that I do not, and for which I can personally find no reasonable basis for their interpretation -- except a propensity to believe what is manifestly not so.

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There is not much doubt today amongst most cosmologists that it's dark energy that's propelling our universe to expand at an increasing speed. And if it were so obvious that this was somehow all caused by a deity or deities, then why are over 90% of all cosmologists and over 80% of all physicists either atheistic or agnostic? Most cosmologists believe that the universe will continue to expand into infinity since gravity appears to be too weak to pull everything back to create another Big Bang.

This expansion neither proves or disproves a hypothetical theistic causation.

Shalom,
Vern

No one should be able to talk someone else out of the way they believe, even if their belief is in a flat earth. That is their perspective and only they can change that. The only thing anyone of a different belief can do is accept them for who they are, not convert them.

I know this is a debate forum and I have no business here, but IMO, if one is predisposed to finding a reasonable basis for another's interpretation one might be looking in the wrong place. There's far more to see inside than exists outside. (if one dares)

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Only Love Prevails,
Don

Dear Vern,

"Dark energy" is a matter which no scientist / cosmologist can fully explain nor understand to this date. That is why they call it "dark energy." It's their blind faith you see. Therefore, quit bluffing. (humor only)

God Bless

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Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. v2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:1~2

Hi

" You say "life itself cannot die." You have given the word life, which is a predicate (a condition about an entity), the status of being an entity itself -- which it is not understood to be by anyone that I know of except you. There are some entities that have the condition of being alive (that's what predicate means) and others that do not. Life is not a "thing," it is a state of being, and in order for a state of being to have any meaning, something needs to be in that state.

If you mean soul, then why will you not say so? Or are you equating the two?

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With all due respect to you EH what you are saying is extremely generous and anyone can do that and get into the 'trap' you are in which is taking life at the almost cellular level and assuming life that way rather than seeeing the whole picture and it's parts as perhaps one or two ways to see life and not just one.

For you EH to assume that absolutely no one has seen our Creator is an assumption guided by the fact that you personally EH have not seen or communicated with your Creator , although you do but you deny it as in God's plan for you EH .
Surely EH you must see by now that you are different and actually EH if you look at yourself from the perspectives available to you you may find that you are in fact on a Path . Where that Path is heading is determined by you and your behaviour in sorting your reality from illusion and delusion .

Surely EH and with all due respect , you are not ready for God to appear on your couch whatever and confirm to you that God is in fact real and that you are not only communicating with God but you are also looking at God in Earthly presentation . You would surely have a cardiac arrest EH if our Creator , our Lord God , did that to you .

" Toe up " EH , it would happen to you if what you so desperately search for in Truths was presented to you in living colour .

That is why EH you are only getting delusions and not the real thing because you EH, even with your great intelligence , are not prepared , as it takes , to reach a nexus with your Creator God .

However there is a plan for each and every one of us and it is God's plan yet it is ours too if we can find the time to 'see' it .
And our 'individual' Path becomes official when it reaches a state where you must be told by God of the Truth and it will occur if your heart is guided by your Purity of Intentions where God is and God will Glorify you for allowing Him to even be a possibility and will cause you to search for truth and the True existance of God .
Basically l am saying that we are born 'knowing' and 'believing' we have a Creator but grow to deny this truth and it does hurt our Creator when He is denied by His Creations , but again , it has to be this way .

We've known dark energy exists for now over a decade. You may be confusing dark energy with dark matter, the latter of which is only theoretical at this point, although mathematical models do indicate that "it" appears to actually make up over half of the matter in our universe.

There are numerous books on cosmology that are available. The best that I've read thus far are "Parallel Worlds: "A Journey Through Creation, Higher Dimensions, and the Future of the Cosmos" by Michio Kaku and "Big Bang: the Origin of the Universe" by Simon Singh. Both are considered top-notch cosmologists.

Shalom,
Vern

Dear Vern,

Dark matter is simply the matter in the Universe we cannot see. Dark energy is a confused false assumption, proposed by the world's scientists in a vain attempt to explain that which they CANNOT understand.

God Bless

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Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. v2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:1~2

Allegedly-- the final verdict is not in yet.




And how could you possibly know that?




Thank you-- I need all the help I can get. Take care.



Shalom,
Vern