Kinda sounds like delusion to me, lol.....

So, what do you think of the newer theories based on quantum physics.... that we are all a part of one continuous whole, that time/space are mere constructs of belief, and that even electrons communicate with each other instantaneously at great distances? Doesn't it sound like "hard reality" is a little "softer" than once believed?

The fact is that you're using a bait and switch. EH most likely (and admittedly so) used "delusion" in context with a false belief or opinion. You use it in the context as a mental illness.

How is this not dishonest?

Asimov

The point is that if almost 99% of the world believe in some kind of God , and if there is no God , then there is a mighty big problem going on here and presents a "complex clinical picture"

All our education is God oriented in some way and almost everyone at least once in their life have said " God xxxx it " not darn lol ,or

" God help me" .

All those beautiful Churches built on a 'wrong' hunch that there is a God .
" If they only knew " , stated Brother Atheist Al .

And all the children at Sunday School now playing basketball in the Church parking lot as the Church is now a McDonalds restaurant .

No God in Court means ,, no God lol

All the wars over Christianity , Jewish and muslim and the Irish ,, oops nevermind the Irish but if no God all these wars would have been over women and beer and not over God .

Poor Iran would have nothing to die for if there was no God and whatever that means l do not know

grrrrrrr

Uh...90-92% of the world, not 99%.

It doesn't present a complex clinical picture, it presents the fact that humans are social beings and their need to identify with their existence anthropomorphically in almost every way shows that. The entire concept of God is emotional in nature.

Hi Asimov

" Uh...90-92% of the world, not 99%"

Um yes but l was including the Terrorists hidden in the mountains ... lol

"Asimov" ,,, I was thinking as if l was an Atheist and l felt a feeling of "nothing really matters" but when l included "God" l felt that everything did matter .

And when l left God out l felt the matrix of our survival , food , water and shelter as only that .But supplied by caring people , food water and shelter to the homeless person is provided because the matrix of food , water and shelter is Love and this is God .

As I posted in another thread:

There's far too much assertion that "quantum theory" explains everything that we can't about consciousness, mysticism, and the rest. There is, for all that nobody notices it yet, some very powerful new work being done which suggests that "quantum theory doesn't rule out the possibility of a deeper theory, even one that might be fully deterministic." (New Scientist, Nov 3-9/07, Quantum Untanglement). Work being done by Joy Christian is showing that Bell's Theorem no longer necessarily leads to its impressive conclusion. See "Disproof of Bell's theorem by Clifford algebra valued local variables."

I rather think, when it's all said and done, that we will find that too much has been made of quantum theory in support of mystical conclusions. Certainly, that is the way things are pointing. You might take a look at Lee Smolin's "The Trouble With Physics." Smolin is the real deal.

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Just some clarification (not to argue):

That we all are part of a "continuous whole" has been long realized even before we knew anything about quantum mechanics and, as a matter of fact, it's a central teaching in Buddhist and Hindu dharma that goes back at least a couple of thousand years ago.

Nor does quantum physics really relate much to "belief". What's been observed is that there's interaction that's been observed between some of the energy sources (especially photons) and the viewer. At this time, no one is certain why this is the case.

This same interaction, which you referred to as "communication" (which is properly used, imo), has been observed between energy particles. There are probably reasons for this, but thus far they're not too sure what they are.

But the gist of what you're implying appears to be correct: there's much that we don't know.



Shalom,
Vern

P.S.: If you have a chance, let me recommend the book "Parallel Worlds: A Journey Through Creation, Higher Dimension, and the Future of Mankind" by Mikio Kaku, who's regarded as a top-notch research cosmologist.

Of course, because you've aligned your purpose and ideals with the concept of God. But so what?


Not necessarily, you might feel that because your bias against atheism causes you to think such things.

Atheists of the world will believe in God if just one single person will prove God is real .

Moses , Jesus , Bob , no skip Bob ,, Noah and the Lady of Fatima were not enough because our methods of recording History was inadequate .

We do see today the amazing construction of a butterfly from a cocoon but this is not 'proof' of anything other than 'life' seems to be real .

I assume an Atheist assumes 'life' is not a delusion and is real . However only life which is present or defined as real will be classified as real even if a person did prove to himself that God is real it will remain 'invalid' unless it can be done so all can know by 'seeing' with rationale , that it is real .

Perhaps we all feel as if we will have found our purpose if we can find God . The reality is that you become alone with God when you find God .

When you find God you will be told what is going on here and why and you will see why there are places of Worship everywhere where people flock to find God .
When you find God you can feel the sensations when you enter any place of God Worship and some who have not found God still get those sensations and soon they may find God too .

However , as in all levels or whatever of Society there are levels in God's presentation to you too . The closer you get to direct communication with God the more you will see everything as unusual and difficult to define from real and not real . These are steps on the Pathway to God and are needed to be able to withold the dynamic shock when you actually do , by sight or sound or both , communicate with the real God .

You will have your Truth and you will know why "you" have it, and you will know why others , with all do respect , do not have it .
Even when they try and are good and caring and in Faith they will have to wait till their body is dead to see the Glory and reality of God , so then they will believe. What you doubt on Earth when you were physically alive will no longer be.

Or you can believe we have a Creator now , God , and also share it when you physically pass on .

Proof you want , proof . You want something that remained a secret and still is . Perhaps you do not know because you are not ready to know .

Aimov ,

would you have a cup of tea on your couch with God or would you run out the door afraid ?

Either way you will be alone with it because you were ready for it , you expected it and you acknowledge it as real , and no one Asimov ,
no one will really believe you , as long as you live .

This is because the world isn't ready for such a dynamic amazing event as showing proof of God and God will remain and must remain in Faith as it is now and as it always has been , other than when Jesus almost " spilled the beans" , with all due respect .

I know what God is. He is the anthropomorphized concept of the universe.

Convenient.


Again, convenient.