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Old 23rd November 2007, 09:08 PM
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Did God Create The Big Bang?

What do you think? Where did the first particles or energy that created the Big Bang come from?
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What do you think? Where did the first particles or energy that created the Big Bang come from?

I think that Consciousness created the cosmos by collapsing the probability wave.

It possibly went along the lines of:

I AM.

<what am i>

{......big bang......}

I AM THAT.


Or - on the other hand, it may have gone along the lines of:

I AM.

<what am i>

{......big bang......}

I AM ...... ...... ...... ...... WHAT???!!!




But in all seriousness, my first answer is what i think happened... even though it doesn't explain much.


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Creation and the big bang are two views of the same event. Since the only thing that existed before the Creation of Everything was God, Everything is God, that's why we are all ONE! It's really just that simple. All our over-thinking and myriad attempts to add to that, only makes it less, not more.
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What do you think? Where did the first particles or energy that created the Big Bang come from?

Not sure I understand the question.
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It is an amazing propensity of humans to so want to know "the answer" to everything that sometimes they'll take an answer that actually doesn't quite work.

The origins of the universe are unexplainable. We cannot understand what event caused the Big Bang. We're not even sure if our Big Bang was the first one, or if, instead, it's just one of a series (infinite?) of oscillating expansion/collapse sequences.

And so, we try to eplain what we cannot understand with something ("God") that we understand even less!

I asked in another post if anybody could tell us what we know about the nature and purposes of God. There have been answers to that question so far. So if we know nothing about God, how does "God" explain the existence of the universe, life, thought, all that is? What is "God" as an explanation for what we don't really understand worth?
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E.H.

Your right about this not being the first Creation event, nor will it be the last. Eternity has no beginning or end.

When you say "we", you're not including those of Faith are you? Please try to accept, like many of Faith believers accept those with no Faith, that Faith can be just as concrete as physical evidence to scientists.
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If one bears in mind the scope and import of Simone Weil's contentions, it is hardly surprising that, in her view, the needed new saintliness presupposes a greater geniality than that of Archimedes.[68] Tellingly, her a-theological demarche toward the redemptive universality of kenosis could be paralleled at most with Franz Kafka's strategy of overcoming power by taking refuge in what he called "das Kleine" [the small].[69] In a brief passage that Elias Canetti[70] considers akin to a Taoist text, Franz Kafka explains what "small" meant to him:

"Zwei Möglichkeiten: sich unendlich klein machen oder es sein. Das zweite ist Vollendung, also Untätigkeit, das erste Beginn, also Tat." [71]

[Two possibilities: to make oneself infinitely small or to be (such). The second one is perfection, therefore non-activity; the first (is) beginning, therefore action.]

For her part, Simone Weil, in one of her last essays, wrote:

"Toujours le même infiniment petit, qui est infiniment plus que tout." [72]

[Always the same infinitely small, which is infinitely more than all.]

Feel what she means and you'll see what the big bang means. When the big bang is seen as one "breath of Brahma" it wasn't the first and won't be the last.
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Perhaps the kind Atheist may wonder how almost every single one in every single Nation large or minute believes in a God ,,all in the same basics of the all powerful God . How could they all be wrong . Most of the world , according to Atheists , are in some delusion of God being real which would probably mean each and every person who believes in God has a 'personality disorder' and so much more .

Can this world today really be this way of all of us 'nuts' and with such mental disorders that we live in delusion ?

From the Presidents to Sunday School we teach how to become delusional and we don't know we are doing this , the Atheists say .

The Atheists are saying that all our Teachers are with personality disorders and are delusional as are the Police the Butcher and the chef at Hooters .

Everyone is nuts lol really

Mr. Atheist and with respect tell me it isn't so .
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Perhaps the kind Atheist may wonder how almost every single one in every single Nation large or minute believes in a God ,,all in the same basics of the all powerful God . How could they all be wrong . Most of the world , according to Atheists , are in some delusion of God being real which would probably mean each and every person who believes in God has a 'personality disorder' and so much more .

Well, for one thing, the number of people believing something has no bearing on the truth or falsity of that something. The other thing, appealing to wonder at so many people being wrong, therefore they must be right, is a completely ridiculous argument.

No atheist here (and many that I'm aware of) is claiming that anyone who believes in God is nuts or suffering from a personality disorder. Suggesting that we say that is a strawman. Unless you have any specific examples that pertain to a discussion of atheism (such as specific posters on this board making such claims), you have absolutely no grounds for such accusations.
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