Just a thought after Vivs thread

Picture you are complete, lack nothing and know you are infinite for eternity

How could alone mean anything

Isnt "alone" something that lacks ?

Isnt alone "outside" of you ?

If you are everything how could that idea exist ?

I have heard this line of reasoning before, but find it lacks any firm basis.

First off, alone is a condition of singulairty (real or perceived) and does nto refer to "lack" per se.

Secondly, all sentient things need at least some contact with others of their kind, why should deity be any different? What is necessarily differetn about deity that would make it exempt from the common condition? (And, since Christains believe humanity was made in "God's imgae" then if requires some special pleading of a very high order to argue that your god needs no companioship since Genesis suggest that YHWH immediately recognized that humans (made in his image) needed companionship....)


One also has to ask, whom exactly does YHWH address when he says "Let us make Man in our own image?" A bit of a ridiculous way to speak if god is, really, singular and unique.

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Grassaf, Eolas

Eolas, I don't think Genesis was written from truth, Genesis was written by man from the perspective of man looking from God.

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I only read Genisis after my expereince of God and it strikes me as Viv has said that it is Mans God
In other words what we try to make God into

Imagine for a second that all you hold within your mind is Loving thought

Where is the space for a thought like "alone"?



My expereince was that ALL is in thought - what we think is what we see

True creation therefore is the extension of self in Loving thought to create a mirror image of what we are - increasing itself
The we therefore is the true image of God - reflected and reflected infinitely

I suppose you could call it self worship lol

The only difference between ourselves and God is that he created us

We are all the same - We and also I

I intended the genesis remark somewhat tongue-in-cheek, of course. There is a point there, however, in that YHWH instantly recognizes that the newly created Adam is lonely. I actually find that rather interesting since (and let's ignore the whole omnisicience side-show for the moment), such recognition implies more than a passing familiarity with the problem. Is it just a story? Perhaps but many stories contain more than a grain of truth.


But, then again, since a good few are Biblical literalists, and more than half of monotheists are Christian, it does need to be dealt with. I can accept people who say "well, let's ignore it; it's not really more than a collection of old stories," but then, they have to explain why ignore this collection of stories (Genesis) and elevate another collcetion of stories (New Testament).

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Grassaf, Eolas

Eolas, I get what you say and I think Genisis is valuable. I love it, but as you said we have to find the grain of truth within it. To me it validates the belief that we fear being alone, and that this fear is what is holding us back from becoming one.

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As you will know from my mutterings on here I am not heavily into the Bible

However I thought Jesus brought a new LAW - His testament or the New Testament to God

The Old was our "idea" - perhaps ?

The new is the truth ?

So I am going to point to Jesus and say "whatever he said"

And I find Christian statements like that to be totally mystifying, since far to often they turn to the Jewish Bible to condemn this, that or the other thing, cherry-picking from the 630 Commandments of the Jewish Law. But when someone points out that the Jewish Bible also says this or that, they flee to this kind of rationalization.

But, tell me, where did your Jesus say that the "Old Testament" was false?

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Grassaf, Eolas

I would point you to read John as that seems pretty clear

The OT speaks of a God to fear in the main

The NT speaks of a God of Light / Love

Just my opinion and not a very well read one




I am not Christian btw

I am a son of God

The only definition of "love" that I can find which does not involve another entity is in tennis.
I will grant you that an entity that exists alone would find it difficult to understand what the word "alone" would even mean, having no concept of other.

But on that basis, I would also challenge you that such an entity could not hold anything like "loving thought," except in the sense given in tennis: "nothing."

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