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Old 25th May 2008, 06:05 AM
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I heard a spiritual teacher describe it this way once:

A person could make an actual connection with the divine and attempt to describe it in five principles, which would attract some adherants

A second person could make an actual connection with the divine and attempt to describe it in seven principles, which would attract some adherants

A third person could make an actual connection with the divine and attempt to describe it in three principles, but also claim they are the three most important principles, which attracts some adherants, but not as many as the first two.

That's when the adherants of the third group devise that if they kill the first person, there's a good chance some of those might mingle over to their school.

This is why a spiritual tradition shouldn't tell you what you are supposed to find, it should educate you how to look for yourself, anything less, and you are simply worshiping of devising against someone else's hearsay beliefs.

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When you expereince God you couldnt kill anyone because you know the Truth - There is far more in that statement than can be explained




Revelation is as Follows taken from ACIM - It is completely accurate and the Forgotten Song Chapter also describes Revelation exactly

II. Revelation, Time and Miracles

T-1.II.1. Revelation induces complete but temporary suspension of doubt and fear. 2 It reflects the original form of communication between God and His creations, involving the extremely personal sense of creation sometimes sought in physical relationships. 3 Physical closeness cannot achieve it. 4 Miracles, however, are genuinely interpersonal, and result in true closeness to others. 5 Revelation unites you directly with God. 6 Miracles unite you directly with your brother. 7 Neither emanates from consciousness, but both are experienced there. 8 Consciousness is the state that induces action, though it does not inspire it. 9 You are free to believe what you choose, and what you do attests to what you believe.

T-1.II.2. Revelation is intensely personal and cannot be meaningfully translated. 2 That is why any attempt to describe it in words is ("usually" was removed from older less edited version) impossible. 3 Revelation induces only experience. 4 Miracles, on the other hand, induce action. 5 They are more useful now because of their interpersonal nature. 6 In this phase of learning, working miracles is important because freedom from fear cannot be thrust upon you. 7 Revelation is literally unspeakable because it is an experience of unspeakable love.

T-1.II.3. Awe should be reserved for revelation, to which it is perfectly and correctly applicable. 2 It is not appropriate for miracles because a state of awe is worshipful, implying that one of a lesser order stands before his Creator. 3 You are a perfect creation, and should experience awe only in the Presence of the Creator of perfection. 4 The miracle is therefore a sign of love among equals. 5 Equals should not be in awe of one another because awe implies inequality. 6 It is therefore an inappropriate reaction to me. 7 An elder brother is entitled to respect for his greater experience, and obedience for his greater wisdom. 8 He is also entitled to love because he is a brother, and to devotion if he is devoted. 9 It is only my devotion that entitles me to yours. 10 There is nothing about me that you cannot attain. 11 I have nothing that does not come from God. 12 The difference between us now is that I have nothing else. 13 This leaves me in a state which is only potential in you.


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