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Yes............. The Holy Quran is there as the Best art of living |
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Like many other scriptures and philosophical texts, the Bible certainly is useful, especially in regards to teaching basic morals and values. Obviously, one may choose some other source than the Bible and also have a course of action based on morality set for them, so one need not just rely on that source alone. The reality is that most scriptures used by various religions teach morality, compassion, and justice. And whether it's the "best" or not is obviously highly subjective.
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I think as a scripture the Bible has certainly been around and available to people and has provided a lot of wisdom and support ... It is a part I believe of the spiritual heritage of mankind.
It is not the only Holy Book however.. Baha'is accept the Bible as inspired but we also believe Qur'an as revealed and the Writings of the Bab and Baha'u'llah are essential today in our view. - Art
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hi cardero
Is there anything in "The Manual " about this,,, " Man shall not eat from the fruit [vegetable] of their own garden " . Of course this would mean that whatever we grow we must give away . It also may support the assumption ,,, " Do onto others as you would have them do unto you " because if 'it' was done this way we would all be certainly working for each other , or is that what non-capitalism communism is ? Pardon my ignorants oops , ignoremyaunts oops , organants oops , oh never mind lol ... ![]() |
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After trying to live by the Bible for a number of years, I can tell you that I found it impossible. My life at that time was reduced to flipping through Bible verses, to see what God had to say about relationships, money, career, etc.... I didn't find alot of practical guidance. I'm glad, however, that I tried. It lead to alot of inner searching. It's hard to know what people mean when they say "I live my life according to the Bible." For some, I think it simply means "I worship Jehovah" or "I follow Jesus," while for others it may mean a specific set of morals or an even more specific theology. I doubt anyone can embrace each and every statement in the Bible and apply it to the letter, even if they claim to. Quote:
For me, yes. But I remember being a little frightened to explore them at first, feeling they might be out of line with Christianity. Ironically, I'm able to understand more about the Bible now, after opening my mind to other spiritualities. Quote:
I'm with Tony here: the answers are inside us. I don't think mainstream Christianity gets it on this point. We're a part of God, spirit, made in His likeness. We can only recognize truth because a part of us already knows it. Great questions, cadero! |
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In the Catholic Church, the Bible is the Douay Bible consisting of 73 books. In the Protestant church only the 66 books that were approved by the Synod of Dordrecht in 1618 are in what is known as the Authorized King James Bible.
Though there is no specific list or accounting of all the books that made up the complete Bible in scripture, there are over 20 books mentioned in the Bible, but not found there. This is proof that many have been removed and there is evidence that many more fell under the same fate. There are those that cling to a singular view of all things biblical. If it is not in the King James Bible exactly the way he had it translated, it is a fake, a forgery, or an insidious plot by Satan to corrupt the minds of men. Human history has allowed precious few ancient religious writings to survive the onslaught of the more aggressive and powerful religious forces, which seek only to gain territory and wealth. Genocide and cultural eradication always go hand in hand with missionary zeal. In many cases every trace of the conquered society's religious writings, practices, icons, and even buildings were destroyed in the name of conversion from worship of gods considered evil, and religious customs labeled as heresies. What generally results from past crusades is the conqueror's religion replacing or predominantly blending with the conquered culture's former religious practice, making its religion almost unrecognizable. Christianity falls into the latter category, having been the victim of the Roman Empire, under the Emperor Constantine, who blended the Christian Church with the institutionalized "pagan" practices of Rome and eliminated any semblance of either the Jewish religious influence or the first church Jesus established during his ministry. After solidifying his position to gain complete control of the western portion of the empire in 312, the Emperor Constantine instituted the Edict of Milan, a "Magna Carta of religious liberty," which eventually changed the Empire’s religion and put Christianity on an equal footing with paganism. Almost overnight the position of the Christian Church was reversed from persecuted to legal and accepted. Constantine began to rely on the church for support, and it on him for protection. The Church and the Empire formed an alliance, which remains to this day. Very rapidly, the laws and policies of the Empire and the doctrine of the Church became one with Constantine as the interpreter of both law and policy. This was accomplished by eliminating hundreds of books thought to be against "Church" doctrine and watering down what remained by blending Christian beliefs and practice with long established Roman sanctioned pagan worship. Constantine believed that the Church and the State should be as close as possible. Constantine tolerated pagan practices, keeping pagan gods on coins and retaining his pagan high priest title "Pontifex Maximus" in order to maintain popularity with his former subjects. In 330 he began an assault on paganism, but used a clever method of persuasion to force people to follow the laws by combining pagan worship with Christianity. He made December 25th, the birthday of the pagan Unconquered Sun god, the official holiday now celebrated as the birthday of Jesus. He also replaced the weekly day of worship by making rest on Saturday unlawful and forcing the new religion to honor the first, not the seventh day, as a day of rest. As a way of defining his concept of the new universal religion, he simply classified everything "Jewish" to be an abomination. Considering almost every aspect of the Bible is "Jewish" by association, every doctrinal biblical principle was changed or eliminated. After 337 Constantine increased his purging of the more obvious aspects of paganism. Through a series of Universal Councils, he and his successors completely altered doctrine without regard to biblical edict, set up a church hierarchy of his own design, and established a set of beliefs and practices, which are the basis for all mainstream Bible-based churches. The separation of the Protestants and the Roman Church caused a physical split, but the beliefs and practices established by Constantine remained almost identical. Very little has changed since the 4th century Councils changed the face of Christianity. An effective practice instituted was the purging of any book in the formerly accepted biblical works, over 80% of the total, that church leaders felt did not fit within their new concept of Christianity. The doctrines and practices remaining in the surviving books were effectively eradicated by simply changing them by replacing clear scripture with Church-sanctioned doctrine. Constantine began what was to become a century’s long effort to eliminate any book in the original Bible that was considered unacceptable to the new doctrine of the church. At that time, it is believed there were up to 600 books, which comprised the work we now know as the Bible. Through a series of decisions made by the early church leadership, all but 80 of those books, known as the King James Translation of 1611, were purged from the work, with a further reduction by the Protestant Reformation bringing the number to 66 in the "Authorized" King James Bible. What we now have in Bible-based religion, whether labeled as "Catholic", or Protesting Catholic, known as “Protestant", is unrecognizable from either the Hebrew religion, now known as the Jewish religion, or the church established at Jerusalem by the Apostles and disciples of Jesus. The practices of this first church are not practiced by any major religion and they are almost unknown, despite being clearly outlined in the existing New Testament. In its place are doctrines and practices first established in the first "true" Reformation of Christianity, which was begun by Constantine. There is much controversy over how many books the Bible should actually contain, but considering the depth and scope of those few works remaining in the "accepted" Bible, we see but a fragment of incredible wisdom and history. A study of the Lost Books of the Bible is incomplete without a clear understanding that this is not a matter of simple loss, but a campaign by the Roman Catholic Church to purge books variously classified as heretical, dangerous, and corruptive. To the public they are “lost”; to the Church they are “forbidden”. Although the exact number of books purged is known only to the Church, and not shared knowledge, some can be determined by the discovery of their presence in the church prior to the reformation resulting in what became known as the Roman "Universal" Church. One of the more obvious forms of discovery comes from the surviving books themselves, which cite works not present in the existing collection. Also, many do not know that the Apocryphal books were actually included in the King James translation until the Synod of Dordrecht removed them in 1618. And, other writings connect many books to the first church. Whatever the number before the purge by the formation of Catholicism by Constantine; even one lost book is a great loss indeed. I claim no expertise concerning the authenticity of any of the lost books and leave this judgment to the reader. I do, however, strongly reject the self-proclaimed authority of any dogmatically motivated and church-controlled mortals who think themselves qualified to make such decisions. One of the most logical and realistic concepts in the Bible is the caution that one should prove all things. I believe that proving the veracity of a given thing is an individual responsibility, which must not, and should not be the duty of those who think themselves better judges. |
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I do believe that you can live by the princibles of the new testament.
1) take no thought to your life, for your body, what you will eat or wear nor for tomorrow 2) do not judge according to the appearance of things 3) Love God with all your heart...all your mind and soul 4) love your neighbor as yourself 5) your understanding must exceed that of the scripture. So, my answers are yes, yes, yes!
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