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Book2 God/Jesus Healings

These Healings below done by Jesus in front of witnesses seems to be quite a few . Could they all really be fake or delusions ?
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The Miracles of ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Jesus Christ,,,,

Nature Miracles Matt Mark Luke John

1. Stilling the Storm 8:23 4:35 8:22
2. Feeding the 5000 14:13 6:30 9:10 6:1
3. Walking on the Water 14:25 6:48 6:19
4. Feeding the 4000 15:32 8:1
5. Temple Tax in the Fish's Mouth 17:24
6. Withering the Fig Tree 21:18 11:12
7. Draught of Fish 5:1
8. Turning Water into Wine 2:1
9. Second Draught of Fish 21:1
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Healing Miracles Matt Mark Luke John
General Healings

1. Cleansing of a Leper 8:2 1:40 5:12
2. Healing a Centurion's Servant 8:5 7:1
3. Healing Peter's Mother-in-law 8:14 1:30 4:38
4. Healing the Sick at evening 8:16 1:32 4:40
5. Healing a paralytic 9:2 2:3 5:18
6. Healing the Hemorrhaging woman 9:20 5:25 8:43
7. Healing Two Blind Men 9:27
8. Healing a Man's Withered Hand 12:9 3:1 6:6
9. Healing the Gentile Woman's Daughter 15:21 7:24
10. Healing the Epileptic Boy 17:14 9:17 9:38
11. Healing a Blind Men 20:30 10:46 18:35
12. Healing a Deaf Mute 7:31
13. Healing a Blind Man at Bethsaida 8:22
14. Healing the Infirm, Bent Woman 13:11
15. Healing the Man with Dropsy 14:1
16. Cleansing the Ten Lepers 17:11
17. Restoring a Servant's Ear 22:51
18. Healing the Nobleman's Son (of fever) 4:46
19. Healing an Infirm Man at Bethesda 5:1
20. Healing the Man born blind 9:1
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Resurrections

1. Raising the Ruler's Daughter 9:18,23 5:22,35 8:40,49
2. Raising of a Widow's Son at Nain 7:11
3. Raising of Lazarus 11:43
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Casting out Demons

1. Demons entering a herd of swine 8:28 5:1 8:26
2. Curing a Demon-possessed Mute 9:32
3. Casting Out an Unclean Spirit 1:23 4:33
4. Curing a Demon-possessed,
Blind and Mute man 12:22 11:14
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IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE HEALINGS Of JESUS ARE UNDERPLAYED , WHATEVER ,,, BUT I FEEL THERE IS 'MORE' THAN JUST WHAT WE READ OF THE JESUS HEALINGS . IT CAN BE SEEN THAT EVERYONE JESUS HEALED HAD A RELATIVE . THE 'HIGH UP' PEOPLE SURELY FELT THAT IF JESUS COULD HEAL ALL THESE 'POOR PEOPLE' THEN HE COULD SURELY HEAL THE 'HIGH UP' PEOPLE'S RELATIVES TOO PLACING 'JESUS' WITH THE DILEMMA OF DECIDING WHO DECIDES WHO GETS HEALED ,, IS IT GOD'S DECISION OR JESUS ?
THIS PROBLEM IS WHAT FORCED THE NEXUS OF JESUS AND GOD TO OCCUR AND THEN JESUS WAS TOLD BY GOD AND THEN JESUS REALISED THAT NEITHER GOD NOR JESUS WERE THE ONES WHO DECIDED WHO GETS HEALED , BUT IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE WHICH WAS THE FACTOR OF THE DECISION OF WHO GETS HEALED AND WHO DOES NOT GET HEALED POSING YET EVEN ANOTHER DILEMMA FOR JESUS TO UNRAVEL .

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Soo true Mooomooo. I too believe that there is more to the healings. I ask myself...is there one factor or different factors involved.

I can see why people don't believe in "Miracles"...if we (believers) can't pin point a common factor in all "Miracles" that take place...what purpose does it serve to believe?

I believe that the common factor is belief....but how can a non believer benefit from it? Do you see what I mean?
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The feeding of the multitude in the desert has been explained I think rather well by George Lamsa in his book "Gospel Light". It was not about magic but rather about sharing what one has during a journey.

He explained that Aramaic people traditionally take food with them when they travel especially in desert areas.. So the sharing of the fish and loaves meant that the people began sharing what they had with others...that was the multiplication that took place and not a feat of magic.

When Aramaic was translated into Koine Greek the original meaning got lost as Greek is more literal and just as an idiomatic expression in another language can seem very odd or almost nonsense so this is how the original significance can be lost...

also in time people were more fixated on miracles.

There were a lot of people out there and the expression three thousand or five thousand probably grew like a "fish story".

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These Healings below done by Jesus in front of witnesses seems to be quite a few . Could they all really be fake or delusions ?

If they didn't happen, they don't have to be fake or delusions. We don't know if there were any witnesses. You just assume that it is so.
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You all know know what l have said in respect to the things l have witnessed . These events in my life allow me to see a truth that most want to but cannot see , such as being hugged and kissed by a ghost etc . This makes it quite difficult for me because l am not stupid really and l can see how you see what l say and it is quite difficult for you to believe what l saw and did .

However Asimov you stated ,,

--->If they didn't happen, they don't have to be fake or delusions. We don't know if there were any witnesses. You just assume that it is so.'<---

Yes l assume it is so because l saw the same thing , which l know you cannot assume is true . So l am a Witness to the Truth , yes .

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PLEASE DO NOT TAKE MY INNOCENT IGNORANCE IN MY WORDS BUT SEE MY PURITY OF INTENTIONS IN WHAT I SAY AS I AM NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT AT ALL .

With all due respect the Bible was written , also , to keep Man from the 'Truth' . Although the Bible and 'all' other Holy Books are with Truth , they are not with the whole extended Truth and these Holy Books were written to say much , as they do , but they are completely void of the extended Truth .

What Jesus did was intercepted and led on another Path which included reasons for His death and our sins etc and that is as far as it got and then they killed Jesus .

A few hundred years later Man was beginning to re-look at the Jesus Miracles and decided to find the Truth of how the Jesus Miracles were done with rational .

They found out the Truth and realized that [that] Truth cannot be published and instead they wrote what they did while in direct communication with God so that the extended Truth did not shine at all in any of the many Holy Books .

It is still this way today .

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Mooomooo, how did you come to know the truth?
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You are witness to your truth.
This may parallel what others have witnessed as we are a gestalt and have much more in common than we realize.
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You all know know what l have said in respect to the things l have witnessed . These events in my life allow me to see a truth that most want to but cannot see , such as being hugged and kissed by a ghost etc . This makes it quite difficult for me because l am not stupid really and l can see how you see what l say and it is quite difficult for you to believe what l saw and did .

Your own lucid dreams and fantasies have no bearing on reality.

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Yes l assume it is so because l saw the same thing , which l know you cannot assume is true . So l am a Witness to the Truth , yes .

You saw Jesus do all those things?
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" Mooomooo, how did you come to know the truth? "

Hi vivamis123 .

Another good question to me is , " How did you come to know God ? "

First God became to know me . God watched my reactions to events and followed my Path in Healing . After l realised the rational to choreographed Coma Healing l wanted to know if the Coma Healing rational could be used in other areas . I decided to try to 'locate' missing children using the same but modified concepts l had used to Heal paralysis , fractured spine and coma etc .

When my experiments to locate missing children were successful l soon knew that the Healing concepts could ne transitioned in application to locating missing children and so much more .

In all of this learning process l became in a confrontation with God as God had to stop me or make me aware that these Healing capacities cannot be released .
So vivamis123 it was my gifted abilities of 'out of body' and 'remote viewing' which also played a role in all of this but when l saw stuff l know no one else has , l had to take a good look at myself and with truth . I know l am only Human but l also do know what l have lived .

Basically vivamis123 my whole life has been with these kind of mysterious stuff going on ,,

SO WHO CARES lol ,,,

live and be happy .

Thanks for your question .
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