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Old 5th June 2008, 02:51 PM
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Judaism Multiverse?

I was just reading in June's copy of Scientific American an article by a cosmologist, and he states that more and more of his colleagues are drifting in the direction of hypothecizing that our universe may not be the only one, and that we may well just be a part of a multiverse possibly involving maybe millions or billions or ? other universes.

Anyhow, if it were ever to be established that we are indeed only one universe amongst many, would this have any effect on your theological/philosophical beliefs? For example, is the god you may believe in possibly just the god of this universe, thus suggesting that other universes may have different deities?
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Anyhow, if it were ever to be established that we are indeed only one universe amongst many, would this have any effect on your theological/philosophical beliefs? For example, is the god you may believe in possibly just the god of this universe, thus suggesting that other universes may have different deities?
This adds nothing new to the equation. It matters not whether you cut the pizza into 8 or 16 slices or don't slice it at all.
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After reading a bit about quantum physics, I find it totally possible that each thought we have has it's own "reality" on some plane - it may even set in motion a totally different "universe," not unlike the butterfly effect. Or perhaps we're just tuning into it.

If there are multiple (even infinite) universes, it makes sense to me that they would be brought about by conscious, rather than some physical cause, assuming that the physcial is a result and not a cause of consciousness......

None of this would surprise me at all. Nor would another idea surprise me: that we are able to be in multiple dimensions/selves at the same time. Of course, we'd have to expand our consciousness to realize this. But stories from some yogis like Yogananda (not to mention Jesus) seem to suggest that many possibilities exist.
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After reading a bit about quantum physics, I find it totally possible that each thought we have has it's own "reality" on some plane - it may even set in motion a totally different "universe," not unlike the butterfly effect. Or perhaps we're just tuning into it.

I don't think that's the common concept within the physics field. If you can find some literature on it that would be helpful.
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None of this would surprise me at all. Nor would another idea surprise me: that we are able to be in multiple dimensions/selves at the same time. Of course, we'd have to expand our consciousness to realize this. But stories from some yogis like Yogananda (not to mention Jesus) seem to suggest that many possibilities exist.

interesting conversation....and amazing how things are there when you have just talked of them...i just said almost the same thing as above to a friend of mine at a distance ...get up this am and read.....i would not say it is so the ability to be in different demensions but...i sure dont rule it out.....i have over the years flown and travel a lot in sleep hours....i feel there is more to it then just a dream....our we getting closer to knowing...is there anything to know....
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I read on another forum something like: Everytime we invent a more powerful telescope...we create more stars.

There is no "end" to creation....to me the goal is to step out of creation and witness what truly IS....beyond our mind.
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I read on another forum something like: Everytime we invent a more powerful telescope...we create more stars.

There is no "end" to creation....to me the goal is to step out of creation and witness what truly IS....beyond our mind.

kinda like having more toys then we need..and instead of getting more...learn to appriciate and understand and see the wonder of what is before us...is that what happend...we got crazy with our thoughts creating not knowing the magic..and then before we knew it..we had more toys then we knew what to do with or understand.....if it is but a tall tale there is much to be learned...or so we think..hehehe...it is all good...

on the star thing...talking to the friend last night..i was looking up at the stars and shareing with him...i dont ever remember there being so many stars...our sky is speckled with them....
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Nice responses, but there's one question that seems to have been avoided: do you think it's possible that different deities may have formed different universes, hypothetically assuming that there are more than one universe?
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All things appear in the light of consciousnes...beyond consciousness is no-thing. Seek and you will find.
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All things appear in the light of consciousnes...beyond consciousness is no-thing. Seek and you will find.
Only the first statement can be considered true in any sense. Everything that we know, we know within the context of our consciousness.

However, it does not follow (in a very Kurt Gödel kind of way) that something that is not within consciousness does not exist. This is a leap that you cannot possibly make, except "just because you want to."

For that reason, the third statement is a definite non-sequitur. As Gödel showed within the context of Whitehead's and Russell's Principia Mathematic, there exist true theorems for which no possible amount of logic stemming from the axioms in Principia can reach. The same is true of reality: You can look all you want, you can't find everything.

What your statement really seems to say (to me, anyway) is that "anything I can't find isn't worth finding." I would not and could not subscribe to such a notion.
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