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Yes, Dan you are correct: "If God takes up all space He leaves no room for you or me . . . or anyone else: there is no room for personal volition".
I don't believe there is a god ...and a you...and a me. There is only one. L.K. No, not in absolute Truth. The belief in an individual soul (I and mine) is based on the belief in a separation from God....this is ego. Since the separation does not exist...there is no ego.
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L.K. I am telling you that ego does not exist. It is ego (a belief in a separation) itself that fights for it's place (apart)...where there is none (one).
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I think another good term for non-duality is polar monism. Everything is one however it exists in different shades or different polls.
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If ego doesn't exist how can it fight for it's place apart? One can experience nondualism with an ego still in tact. It is there but surrendered or integrated.
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In response to the question of ego and reality.
It is said there is no inherent reality in the percieved cosmos as it can be known only thru mind and mind is a collection of information subjective to both experience, the abilities of the senses, and the function of drawing relationships between memory and data. How the mind sees these relationships in regard to itself is ego, this in turn colors the perceptions of 'reality' so it's a circular process. Ego can be irradicated only by irradicating the mind. Not, i think, a viable alternative. There is however, that which can be uncoverd which is unmodified awarness. In a real sense it is the awareness one is born with. This awareness, as it cannot be taken any further back in itself, and is the support of all that is known is called 'god' by some including me. As Lightkeeper says, it is nameless, formless, opinionless, ( and objectless and selfless), and as such is spacelessness. It is non dual. It is impossible to percieve from a sense of self, IT has to percieve. In this the mind/body/ego becomes secondary like an appendage. The point being made here is the mind/body/ego are never not there, they are simply not the predominant factors. Second point the ego is never the same again, it never enjoys the same domination again, nor does the mind. Tho oddly enough if the mind is called upon it seems to think better. So none duality simply means awareness of that which makes the mind/body/ego and it's relative/superficial reality possible. It is also this unmodified awareness which makes the ego possible, it supports all things but is non of them. A pun...it is whole-y |
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Well I think between "nonduality" and "duality" is maybe the reality... both concepts I think maybe extreme positions to take. - Art ![]()
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